Varioram vs. Non-Vario 993 engines

Brother · 12-11-2007, 12:41 PM

As a daily driver, is the varioram much more impressive or very similar to the normal engine.

AM993 · 12-11-2007, 02:24 PM

IMO, very similar

kang · 12-11-2007, 02:33 PM

Plus, a chip in a '95 closes the gap even more.

Brother · 12-11-2007, 04:32 PM

Really?! I thought it was a 12% increase in the midrange power and torque? I would have that was noticeable for sure.

Oh well.

petevb · 12-11-2007, 04:48 PM

About a 20% increase at 4k rpm. I guess it depends on your definition of "noticeable". Or "worth it".

Brother · 12-11-2007, 04:56 PM

So you guys are telling me that it isn't that noticeable.

Steve@Rennsport · 12-11-2007, 11:29 PM

Its a 20 lbs-ft difference from 1200 RPM to around 5000 RPM,...

Above 5500, they are pretty much identical.

Brother · 12-12-2007, 06:20 AM

Thanks, Steve.

Congrats on the 2nd post. What happened?

Steve@Rennsport · 12-12-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother

Thanks, Steve.

Congrats on the 2nd post. What happened?

Reformatted a HD last night and it reset everything,...

Brother · 12-12-2007, 08:39 AM

Steve, do you feel there is a noticeable enough difference to warrant looking for a 97 vs. a 95?

ischmitz · ischmitz's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve @ Rennsport Systems

Its a 20 lbs-ft difference from 1200 RPM to around 5000 RPM,...

Above 5500, they are pretty much identical.

Arrrrgh - another novice running off his mouth...

Steve@Rennsport · 12-12-2007, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother

Steve, do you feel there is a noticeable enough difference to warrant looking for a 97 vs. a 95?

For racing, not really since the engine is always above 5500.

On the street, thats another matter and the V-Ram is well worth the $$$$.

Brother · 12-12-2007, 05:15 PM

That's what I wanted to know. If I buy one, it will probably be 90% street.

aigel · aigel's Garage

The 95 guys will tell you it's not noticeable.

Also, you can chip a later car as well and still be ahead, so that's no excuse. The chipping is a bit more complicated however.

There are other improvements on the later 993 (rear suspension comes to mind) that would be upgrades to a 95.

Cheers, George

24fps · 12-13-2007, 08:23 AM

varioram get's my vote regardless of newer obdII... there is a noticeable diff.

drive 'em back to back & you be the judge.

Steve W · Steve W's Garage

I also see substantial measurable midrange torque gain when the vram intake is installed on a 964 motor.

DB_NC_95C2 · 12-15-2007, 04:44 AM

At first I was wondering about '95 vs later. I went with the '95 because in my county there's no sniff tests for emissions on pre-'96 cars. Later I can do exhaust stuff that involves losing the catalyst and getting a better exhaust note. Also,less likely to have CEL issues, but most important was the coincidental appearance of a local 2-owner VERY clean car within a week of my SC getting totalled. A 'known entity' with all the records in the shop's computer, and had just had its 60k service. I'm just fine with the '95.