What's wrong with the Cayenne?
 

There's so much negative stuff on this BBS about the Cayenne and I just don't get why that is. Sometimes I like to take my wife and son on a drive in a Porsche but we can't all fit in a 911 anymore since my kid is now taller than me. The solution has been to take both 911s and stay in touch by walkie-talkie but we're not really together. The Cayenne would solve that problem. I understand that it rides like a Porsche, sounds like a 911, smells like oil like a 911, so what is it that you dislike so much? Man, if I had $30K right now, I'd sell my 2001 4Runner and buy me a Cayenne. Used ones are going for $40 - $50K now at some dealerships! No car payments for me, if I can't pay cash, I'll save until I can.

So now, tell me why you dislike a true four-seater, corners like a 911, blows away most sedans and other SUVS Porsche.

I like the turbo model, would be a great family ride for sure.

The engine is in the wrong place

It's not a sportscar.

Rear engined SUV!!!! :D
Scott aka Mouse

Well you can get a VW Touareg for half the price, looks nicer too.

Might not go as hard though, but if you wanted a car for that reason why would you buy a 4wd anyway.

I would have an X5 V8 over both of them anyway.

Exactly... you could get a Touareg for 1/2 the price... and spend the rest on a 911 :)


-MAS

Ah yes, the weekly "why does the Cayenne suck" flame war thread. :rolleyes:

Well, it's ugly, overweight and a truck. I know it's faster than any of the cars I own, but so is a Corvette and I just have to say "so what"

Also, people are afraid that instead of saving Porsche it will sink it.

Anyway, you should really do a search if you want hours of amusing reading, although this thread will likely rehash it all again anyway.

Stef

This thread is in the wrong place. :p

It's a VW chassis with a bigger motor of course vw guys like to believe its a Porsche chassis with a VW motor! ;)

Who cares, Porsche is a buisness; they saw the growing popularity for SUV's and decided to jump into the segment with an overpriced SUV to increase their profits (they are the most profitable auto company in the world, or so they say). The 996 sales are steadily decreasing b/c the 997 will soon be released. The Cayenne helps keep them with some profit, although I dont think it was the reason for the release of the Cayenne. But I do believe the 997 release is the reason for the release of the 996 Turbo S in August.

The bottom line: porsche doesnt cater to purists, they just want your money; the (aircooled) purists are only *****ing about the current 911's, not buying them.

My main beef w/ the Cayenne is the styling. The front is not too bad, kind of an elongated current Porsche face. The side view starts to fall down, as the proportion between the sheet metal and the greenhouse is poor. The beltline transitions badly from the front fender and is awkward at the rear one. The chrome trim looks tacked on. The rear is particularly bad and not befitting a vehicle in this price range.

Too bad. The performance is great.

IMHO

Paul

The original press release photos were just horrendous...that's what did it in for me. Once I looked closer and sat in one I found it to be a well designed and nicely sorted out machine; I wouldn't mind owning one. For the price...well that's debatable. One big thing that sticks out at me for the price is that I have seen several models with substandard paint quality...substandard for Porsche anyway. Excessive orange peel in the solid colors from the manufacturing line.

I, like lots of other people, hate all SUVs in general. I hate the concept of the SUV. And the Cayenne represents a 180 degree shift away from what Porsche has always been about. I like the company a LOT less these days because of the stupid Cayenne and the fact that the 911's are watercooled and becoming less attractive every year.

If you want a sporty 4 door, buy a Bimmer or a Jag XJR.

soooo, used Cayennes are going for 40-50K and Toureags are 1/2 the cost of a Cayenne ...... can somebody show me where I can buy a Toureag for $20-25K? I'll take a dozen at the price. :rolleyes:

In reality, one would be VERY hard pressed to find a used V8 Toureag for under $40K - they sticker for $50 brand new.

I see loads of them on my way to work, and they're all driven by women taking their spoiled little brats to school. If you want a decent family vehicle, get an Audi S4 Estate.

Exactly. Again with the Cayenne, it's faster, can tow, can go to the beach and snow, plus it can carry four or five plus gear. Why would I pay the same price for a used V8 Toureg? And, I just don't think BMW fit and finish is as good as Porsche so the X5 doesn't do it for me. I owned a 328i convertible and $hit kept falling off inside the cockpit, the radio was crap and the dash felt cheap.

i don't like the fact that every 2 and a half weeks some thread pops up in the 911 forum with a Cayenne good or bad discussion that goes on about basically nothing...

Well its in ist proper place now. It will die a slow painful death...

The Cayenne is fine by me, but for the money I'd prefer a sports car.

I personally was skeptical at first just like the rest of you, however, having read so much about them and heard how awsome they are from a few people that own them, I'd have to say, I would buy one in a heartbeat if I could afford one. If you need an SUV and could afford it and are looking to buying a SUV in that price range, I say why not support them as opposed to another company. Buy based on having done your homework as far as your needs, price, performance, towing capabilities, style, etc. Remember, the profits of the Cayenne help offset some of the R & D of the 911 & Boxster and even funnel into the racing program. I know some will say, "what racing program?" but they do still have a very strong support program in the GT classes, if they didn't the Beloved GT3 would have remained a pipe dream or at the very least never have reached our shores. Thats my $.02
Scott aka Mouse

Lots of discussions on this BBS are about basically nothing. What's your point? If you don't like the thread, don't reply. It's that simple.

Chris

Simple....Just buy both...:D

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I Just Got One,Great Build Quality,A Great Driving SUV,Why Do Everyone Bash Them,Change Is Good....
Alan

I guess people bag them mostly because, they have moved away from what everything Porsche stood for sports cars.

I don't think most people think they are actually a "bad" car, as most of the reviews have said they are quiet good if you can afford one.

What are they going to make next something for the masses, maybe to rival the Hyundai Excel?

I just hope Ferrari never makes a SUV.

I was not cray about the Cayenne at all.. I have a 04S, and we just went on a 2k mile road trip with it. I must say that this thing is very nice. Performed flawlessly. Fast as you need it to be, returned a 19mpg fuel outing at about 76mph avg. with the ac running. Never ran hot, oil pressure was fine. Drove for 9hrs in absolute comfort in the seats. Got more thumbs ups, wows, and kneck bending than I could have ever imagined. Everyone seemed to love this SUV... By the way it handles like a dream. I surprised a many of sports cars..
JAO

I may have more seat time in a Cayenne then nearly anyone .... 58,000 miles and counting (a tank of 93 octane every day :eek: ) The vehicle continues to impress. It does everything well and is a blast to drive. Rarely does a day go by when someone doesn't walk up and want to check it out. I'm now off-warranty and in 'no-man's land', so to speak. A year from now, it will have over 100K. So I'm debating on selling now and buying a new one or hanging on to it for a while. -- Curt

cegerer,

Keep driving the SUV and when she hits over 100k , give me an email.

i might be interested! Of course i would have to check with the WIFE!

jpc

I have no problems with the Cayenne. However, I think they would look better with a lower front spoiler.

WELL THE POST was "whats wrong with the suv?? So I have to agree to be here or not?? - I think it should say land rover or something and have Porsche get back to what it use to do..I have no interist in a go to opera car or a sand buggy and a high dollar one at that.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/munky2.gif

Besides being hatched from greed, by a board of directors that simply couldn't leave well enough alone, they risked the family name with a new product in a market that already has too many participants and too many good alternatives. Besides being proportionally ugly and looking like the VW counterpart, with a lot of ticky tacky interior styling ques that Elvis would like such as the bright metal triangles in the steering wheel, being very overweight at 5300 pounds, overpriced, and with so many problems that it got Porsche third from the bottom of the JD Power Initial Quality Survey this year, nothing is wrong with the Cayenne.

P

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agree with ya buddy.....vote is in, remove the pepper forum wayne:)
( now don't that sound bossy- that was said with humor so do what you will)

it looks too much like the carrera gt

It just strikes me as wrong on so many levels.

I hate "fake SUVs", ones never intended to go offroad; ones built on car chassies; ones with no skid plates, et al. Mall crawlers. I hate that every yuppie soccer mom who never goes offroad or tows anything has one. SUVs are school busses, cargo containers.. Why make them fast? Will Porsche make a fast full-size Van next?

Porsche makes (made) sports cars. I don't want Jeep to build sports cars, and I don't want Porsche to build SUVs. Porsche was one of the few companies that remained pure to an ideal.

It's for people who want to one-up their neighbors with X5's.

If they have to make something that holds more than 2 adults, I'm sure it would be much less blasphemous to make an M3 killer sedan instead of a hulking SUV.

I also can't understand how someone can walk into a Porsche dealer with $90k and walk out with anything but a 911. On the other hand, it would be a cool tow vehicle for getting the GT2 to the track ;)

The Cayenne may be a great SUV. But why, why, why an SUV?

Enough people have already put 911 engines into VW Bus's, so...why not a Carrera GT engined Van? I could just see the Ford F250 Econoline Purists now, "Vans are supposed to be for Workers carrying Ladders on top and carpet hanging out the back doors or for Van Conversions with sinks and beds for camping, not Fast AND luxorious. $100 K for a bread box is rediculous. lol
Scott aka Mouse

I think they will end up where they belong....status quo in the mall pakin lots .....they are for peo who have no clue what is cool and corect.....they should go and get some personal instruction from the fonz.

Whats wrong with the Cayenne?

Well IMO other than it being named after a pepper, and the fact that it still needs to have few bugs worked out, I can't find much wrong with it.

I have been drving 911's for over 25 years and I have to admit I hated the thought of it when I first heard about it. After test driving a couple I fell head over heals and had to have one. Just bought an 04 CT and next to my 94 3.6T (which will keep up with about any Porsche ever made, including GT2's 3's whatever, and IMO is one of the best Porsche ever made!!!) it makes the perfect compliment for those days that I want to enjoy the ride but not work as hard.

I wouldn't mock it unless you have spent several hours behind the wheel and have a chance to really see first hand what these things can do. The Cayenne Turbo takes SUV's to new level that the X5 or ML MB cannot even come close to. It may not replace the 911 but it surely adds fun to those days when a 911 is not the right car.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1094759389.jpg

That thing on the left looks like a carp that has spent the afternoon bottom feeding.

P

I test drove a new Cayenne a few weeks ago for free tickets to see the new movie Celluar (from porsche). Not a bad ride and i'll be more interested when she is three years old from a lease turn in.

I would guess that the V6 models will be in the 20k range and the V8 non turbos 25-30k range.

I am interested in test driving the Toureg too though!

jpc

One thing I learned form 25 years of driving Porsche's, It's whats on the inside that counts.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...sun_smiley.gif

I finally got a chance to take an 04S on an extended test drive last weekend and was blown away by it. It's definitely fast and corners unbelievably flat for a tall vehicle. My motivation in considering a Cayenne is I want a vehicle big AND comfortable enough for four people that'll rival what I get from a 911. This certainly fit the bill so much so that I'm now contemplating taking on a car payment.

I also test drove an Infiniti FX45 last night. I'm equally impressed with its fit and finish plus the appointments for about $10K less than an S. It is, however, not as fast or agile as the Cayenne. Also, the cargo space is miniscule. Lastly, it had way more bling than an equally appointed S. The Porsche's styling seems to me to be less obvious, if that makes sense.

It'll be the Cayenne for me unless a Cadillac SRX can blow me away. I'm taking one for a test drive sometime this weekend. One of the car mags rated luxury SUVs this way:

Cadillac SRX
Cayenne S
Infiniti FX45
BMW X5
VW Toureg V8