I have become increasingly frustrated with BAT. They have rejected several cars I sent in which were all clearly in their wheel house. A couple were sub $20k cars and 1 was a mid $70's car. All of the reserves I sent in were low compared to the retail market and inline with the wholesale market. It bothers me when I see yet another 2016 GT3RS which I am sure wont sell, or an endless stream of GT4's.

I agree with you guys.... These guys are missing the boat, someone with some real business acumen could really make that site a huge business. The guys who started it could make a substantial windfall profit too. There are so many advertising opportunities and so many other ways to make the site better and more profitable.

Both of my buyers were very happy with their purchase...in fact one buyer and I actually became friends till this day and the other buyer and I have communicated several times in the most positive of ways. Not every seller is out to screw a buyer. Bat offers a service but they are limited to what the seller submits about the vehicle. Yes they screen comments, as I’ve seen some really dumb comments that get by. I agree that they should not censor someone who it just trying to look out for a potential buyer but in their defense how do they know when the comment is from a knowledgeable person or a troll. Bat is not perfect but their fees are a lot better than most auction places. Hopefully they will continue to improve or someone will create their own version of an online auction to rival BAT that may satisfy the many that are not happy with Bat current practices.

If BAT is such a s**t show why do so many of you still submit cars to them? I'm just curious.

I am not saying its such a chit show, I am just saying they're missing the real boat.

For the record, they never filtered my post.
I still see lots of cars on BAT getting crapped on by peanut gallery.
This notion of BAT censors all negative comments is laughable and outright false.

The only time any of my posts were censored was when some clown was spouting off about how the best game plan for bidding was to place your top bid early and not bid anymore. I tried to explain a little about game theory and bidding strategies but he got arrogant. Having been a floor trader for 20 years I have a little experience in an auction market. Anyway he got so arrogant spouting off about the massive collection he had all bought by single bid early in an auction. I laughed and mocked him. My comment was censored, I couldn't comment for a day or so and then my comments had to be reviewed before they posted for a while.

That’s the problem though, that they took a side in that debate and then censored you. They shouldn’t have done it, that was wrong. Either completely stay out of it and let it all go, as that’s what the website is supposed to be about, or block both parties if it gets out of control. They did the absolute wrong thing in that situation. My situation was similar, a seller took issue with me calling out his POS and *****ed to BaT about it. My posts get reviewed before they post now too, and some don’t even get posted at all.

Bronco, sigh ....

Wow.

Really surprised about the level of negativity here. I am on BAT everyday and I see a lot of very high quality cars that seem to be represented accurately. Comments I post are visible instantly. I don't see anything better out there as far an online goes.

Any my girlfriend just bought a gorgeous Porsche on BAT - sight unseen and no PPI. Had it shipped from out of state and it arrived better than it looked in pictures. Seller was a joy to deal with.

Only issue I have with BAT is that the bigger it gets the deals seem harder to come by for a buyer. Quite a lot of cars seem to go for a real premium. But that's just capitalism and I'm a capitalist so all good.

Was it a Boxster ?

My take on the situation was the peanut gallery didn't like the way I called out the guy who was an internet blowhard tough guy. I don't remember exactly but I would bet I made some snarky comment to the loud mouth about everyone on the internet being rich, good looking and having an amazing car collection they bought under the market. He was a real punk, talking about his "collection" and what great investments they were too. Anyway, I think I received enough clicks on the not constructive button to get the axe. Was it partly my fault? Sure. I could not stand that blowhard passing on just blatantly wrong info about bidding strategies. 100% bull crap.


I look at BAT nearly every day but I have rolled my comments way back. I sell cars on BAT and I don't want to hammer someone else's auction and have them roll back on me and spread false bs on any of my auctions.

....with regards to "deals" yea there are some deals to be had and yea some cars sell way over the true market value. BAT's become liquid enough and populated by enough guys that for the most part the stuff trades pretty close to what I think "fair value" is given what's known about the car.

I also think the general populations idea of what "fair value" should be is frequently well off. I like playing with the older Bentley's. I buy em and sell em and know the markets both retail and wholesale well. Nothing crazy expensive, all of them under 50 grand. Yes you can buy a 10 to 15 year old 200 grand car for 25 to 50 grand, that doesn't make it a screaming bargain, that's fair value. I was following a 06 Bentley which I thought sold at dead on fair value. Couple of the peanut gallery were hooting and hollering about what a screaming deal it was. Others listen to people like that and believe the bs.

I am not a huge Boxster fan but my goodness you can buy a whole lotta open top Porsche for peanuts these days. Middle miles first gen BOX S's going for 8 to 14 grand. The S is the one to own. Although I am thinking about buying a base and hot rodding it over the winter.

I love cars like that. They're disposable. Buy one with 65k miles, drive the crap out of it as a commuter car that's fun to drive for a few years and short of smashing it up the cost per mile is peanuts. 944's are the same way and they have basically NO price decay.

Bwahahhahahahhaha

Does the peanuts pricing include a ready supply of brown paper bags with accurately placed eye holes?!?!

That's what I did. I bought Macroni's 50k mi 99, drove it for 18 mo and 10k mi and sold it to MichaelB's son for $3k less than I paid. Great little cars.

I don't care anymore. I have other cars which I like better but as a DD which I can hammer on and rack up miles its hard to beat.

What kind of car guy is into Broncos and Boxsters ??

Yes, but the risk is a 944 that old and cheap can be neglected and become a huge money pit. A friend of mine has sunk tons of money into his $5k 944. Way underwater.

Cayman S

Yup. I see this a lot too. Several people saying "stolen" when a car just goes for a fair market price. Amazed how little research some people do when making major purchases.

In the end, here's almost zero chance that I would ever bid on a car on BaT. Maybe if it was something I really wanted, and there was some way for me to get there in time to see it in person prior to bidding. But even then, chances are that anything like that would get bid by the crazies to far more than I'd be willing to pay, so the question is moot.

On the other hand, I am about to try selling on BaT (not a Porsche). I can be ethical and transparent as a seller, even if BaT plays a bit looser on that stuff. My opinion is that it is far better to be a seller there than a buyer.

Yep, totally agree. There probably isn’t another venue on this planet that is so skewed to being beneficial to the seller (at the buyer’s expense) than BaT is. Which makes it all the more confusing that there are so many addicted to buying cars on that website.

Yep
I agree, the burden is totally on the buyer.
BaT should be helpful to the buyer because they are paying a ton of commission money.

The buyers commission is cheap compared to other established auction houses.

Cheap . I guess compared to Mecum or BJ
But The Samba, Craigslist, Rennslist, Pano, PP, etc, are fine

Cheap bastards.

The interesting thing is that I've sold 4 cars on BAT and 3 were post-auction.

So I got the benefit of all the build-up and chatter and the buyer got the benefit of $0 commission paid to BAT.

I have not purchased a car on BAT, though I've bid on a couple. Thing is, you run into irrational exuberance within the bidding population. I never buy a car at a distance for more than 85% of what the car is worth to me. The reason I hold back is that the great cars often sell locally; the cars that don't bear up under in-person scrutiny are auction fodder. What car can't be made to look good in photos?

The sites you mentioned are not auction sites. If you're going to imply their buyers fees are high, and then when pointed out they're not at least compare apples to apples. Those other sites may be fine but they're simple listings not auction sites with buyers fees.

Agree, that is why I prefer to only sell in person as most of ones I have need a ride and drive along with a up close to the car. In the past,when this is done in most cases the buyer will agree to my higher price than the price they wanted to pay before they realized the real condition, not just from photos.
One recent BAT sale was a 76 black 930 with only one rubber stabilizer (rear quarter to engine lid ) and the photos only showing the side with that in place in the initial photos. When it was questioned the seller said none on the other side and no hole for it to be installed. Further comment / explanation was the early cars did have inconsistencies when built so that could be why no hole for the rubber piece that wasn't there. In my humble opinion I doubt Porsche would ever have built it that way and could be that drivers side quarter was a replacement from a later car ( mid 79). It seemed pretty decent driver otherwise. The seller claimed he did not think it was in a accident & I was to be there to inspect so I did not comment. The buyer seemed ok with buying it this way with the possibility of previous damage for the price paid. Always nice to know what a 930 in this condition will sell for. Again a good reason to bid 85% less unless inspected and driven in person. So fair to say BAT values may not be absolute as some may or may not be getting the real deal.

Obviously the seller is not German.

Inconsistencies on a G-Body that had been made for more than three years.

Yes, Porsche would not do this. Once again the seller is a clown and the excuses and conclusions are amazing.

Interestingly the seller has had other Porsches on BAT and some in the peanut gallery make favorable comments what a Porsche expert he is regarding his offerings / representations / remarks.

He does sell a lot of cars. But he’s “that guy”.
Check out the bids on the Porsche’s and Pantera. [emoji16]

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“Those” bidders are so annoying you wonder what the hell they are thinking, and there are so many of them too. Wtf...

It's just a fun way to move auctions along.

Or it's just waste of time and effort. Why don't they call for sale ads, and offer $930 for every 930 they find for sale? Or $996 for every 996? That would be equally as stupid, yet nobody is doing that. It's just a bizarre BaT trend. People just want their 15 minutes of fame, even if it's for something as inconsequential and ridiculous as placing teenie bids that have zero chance of ever being successful.

It takes like 2 seconds to place a bid.

So make that 2 seconds count, instead of looking like an idiot. Sorry if I hit a nerve, but it's a childish behavior. It reminds me of when I was like 8 or 9 years old at an auction with my dad, and he would let me raise his bidder card when the price was so low that there wasn't any chance of getting hit on it. I grew out of that soon after, yet there are grown ups still doing this on BaT. Or at least I presume they are grown ups, since they need a CC to place a bid.

It took you more than 2 seconds to make this post FYI.

I agree. It's a BaT thing and I first that it was cute, funny, and fresh, but now all I want to do is post this pic whenever and wherever I see such silly practice.

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It is annoying. But then again, I am a bitter man. I don't think George Carlin would think it was cute either.