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SalParadise 02-25-2019 01:55 PM

Seinfeld Part II: Little Jerry Stikes Back
 
Hot off the wire via The New York Post:

It’s John Voight’s car all over again!

Just weeks after Jerry Seinfeld was slapped with a lawsuit for allegedly auctioning off a bogus vintage Porsche, the comic has hit back with his own court filing — claiming a dealership duped him into buying the sham sports car and should be the one held responsible.

The funnyman and automobile aficionado filed a third party complaint in Manhattan federal court on Monday saying he’s just the “man in the middle” and California-based European Collectibles should be on the hook if the 1958 Porsche Carrera Speedster is indeed not what it’s cracked up to be.

“Jerry bought a car from European Collectibles that was certified in writing as authentic. He relied on that certification when he purchased it, during the time that he owned it, and when he sold it three years later,” Seinfeld’s lawyer Orin Snyder said in a statement.

“Jerry has no liability in this matter, but he wants to do the right thing, and is therefore bringing this action to hold European Collectibles accountable for its own certification of authenticity, and to allow the court to determine the just outcome.”

Collector Fica Frio Ltd. first hit Seinfeld with a suit on Feb. 1, saying it scored the car from the “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee” star in a 2016 auction with a winning bid of $1.54 million, only to find out it was “not authentic.”

The company alleges Seinfeld knew full well it was phony, and wants him to rescind the sale and pay back all expenses.
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But Seinfeld says that if the car is a dud, he was hoodwinked too.

He says he paid $1.2 million for the auto in 2013, believing the dealer’s claims that it was a “one of one GT Speedsters ordered in Auratium Green with Black” and had recently been restored with “all original parts.”

Seinfeld — who claims to be “one of the world’s most prominent Porsche collectors — says the company provided a certificate of authenticity, and he’d sent his own expert to inspect the car without finding anything amiss.

As a “successful comedian,” he says he “does not need to supplement his income by building and selling counterfeit sports cars.”

If the court finds the car is indeed bogus, Seinfeld wants European Collectibles to cover his own damages.

The incident recalls the “Seinfeld” episode “The Mom & Pop Store,” in which the character George Costanza is talked into buying a 1989 LeBaron convertible that he believes was once owned by actor Jon Voight — only to later discover it actually belonged to a periodontist named John Voight.

European Collectibles did not immediately return a request for comment

speednme1 02-25-2019 02:43 PM

This is going to turn into a shyte show...he said, she said.

BK911 02-25-2019 03:11 PM

If the car is a dud, JS should be on the hook.
Then he can go after ECs.
IMHO.

ShopCat 02-25-2019 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 10368937)
If the car is a dud, JS should be on the hook.
Then he can go after ECs.
IMHO.

Didn't he already offer to buy the car back for a full refund? Maybe that was until he was shown the proof...?

Jay993 02-25-2019 03:18 PM

It's amazing how EC has so many #s matching cars, continuously... Incredible!

Dmitry at Pelican Parts 02-25-2019 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK911 (Post 10368937)
If the car is a dud, JS should be on the hook.
Then he can go after ECs.
IMHO.

100% agree. Maybe he should also change his 'expert' too. The other party seemed to have discovered that it wasn't legit pretty quickly.

wilnj 02-25-2019 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry at Pelican Parts (Post 10368964)
The other party seemed to have discovered that it wasn't legit pretty quickly.


It was about a year after the auction.



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jac1976 02-25-2019 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilnj (Post 10369035)
It was about a year after the auction.



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Or two.

zedsn 02-25-2019 04:19 PM

I still say it is buyers remorse.

Nukar sales 02-25-2019 05:02 PM

It looks like Mr clemence,s past is catching up to him. Believe I know.

dwelle 02-25-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nukar sales (Post 10369132)
It looks like Mr clemence,s past is catching up to him. Believe I know.

your syntax and grammer is tricky, but what are you getting at?...

Rawknees'Turbo 02-25-2019 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10369153)
your syntax and grammer is tricky, . . .

Ha ha - that's one word for it! :D

pmax 02-25-2019 07:25 PM

And it's all over the interwebs.

Not the best day for the p-car wheeling and dealing community...

Quote:

The lawsuit alleged that the Seinfeld purchase was not the first time European Collectibles was alleged to have sold a restored Porsche that was alleged by a disgruntled collector to be inauthentic.

The lawsuit said it seeks to "reveal the extent to which European Collectibles deploys fraudulent practices in connection with its restoration and sale of classic cars."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/02/25/seinfeld-sues-california-car-dealer-over-counterfeit-58-porsche/2986829002/
Nukar ?

dwelle 02-25-2019 09:59 PM

sure, with no real info.

nukar, what's your beef with nick? i'm not familiar with any issues folks have had with european collectibles.

you're just kinda throwing that out there with no explanation...

Mike964_61 02-26-2019 03:17 AM

This is going down the path of no one wants to be held accountable. Everyone is pointing fingers at the moment. Drama builds, lets see where this goes...

Macroni 02-26-2019 03:35 AM

Good on Jerry....... He is holding EC accountable.......

Catorce 02-26-2019 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 10369446)
Good on Jerry....... He is holding EC accountable.......

Agreed.

The bottom line is this: Jerry's syndication rights payout for the Seinfeld show was over 300M. That's just one show, not all his other ventures. Does anyone seriously believe he is trying to make a fast buck on flipping a fake car?

He really doesn't need the money or the headache, and I honestly believe he was duped. And that this Fica Frio is grandstanding a little bit.

1979-930 02-26-2019 06:11 AM

Maybe EC didn't know about the issues with this car, Or maybe they have done this before.
It sure will be interesting if other collectors come forward with issues discovered with EC cars. I think issues are always buried to protect the investment until it gets dumped on the next guy.
If EC are crooks, and Jerrry proves it, it will be like the "Me Too" movement.

trader220 02-26-2019 06:39 AM

What about the possibility that Fica Frio still has the original car they bought from Jerry and built this fake to try and dupe Jerry knowing he probably would not have fought the suit? Are they trying to extort him?

1979-930 02-26-2019 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by trader220 (Post 10369609)
What about the possibility that Fica Frio still has the original car they bought from Jerry and built this fake to try and dupe Jerry knowing he probably would not have fought the suit? Are they trying to extort him?

Ooooh. I like that one.
But ShopCat will tell you FicaFrio is owned by a Billionaire and rich people don't steal because they don't need the money. :D

75 911s 02-26-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10369651)
Ooooh. I like that one.
But ShopCat will tell you FicaFrio is owned by a Billionaire and rich people don't steal because they don't need the money. :D


The rich kids I know steal for sport and entitlement.

ShopCat 02-26-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10369651)
Ooooh. I like that one.
But ShopCat will tell you FicaFrio is owned by a Billionaire and rich people don't steal because they don't need the money. :D

I simply said I don't think Jerry Seinfeld would soil his name over two hundred grand... I don't think it takes a ton of thought to come to this conclusion. :confused:

1979-930 02-26-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ShopCat (Post 10369721)
I simply said I don't think Jerry Seinfeld would soil his name over two hundred grand... I don't think it takes a ton of thought to come to this conclusion. :confused:

You're new. I'm just being a smart azz; as usual. Don't take it personal. SmileWavy

ADDvanced 02-26-2019 08:16 AM

What's the deal with counterfeit Porsches?

pmax 02-26-2019 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10369384)
sure, with no real info.

nukar, what's your beef with nick? i'm not familiar with any issues folks have had with european collectibles.

What's your problem ?

Nukar is the only one who seems to have an idea of what's ahead, he hinted at this second lawsuit ...

Quote:

you're just kinda throwing that out there with no explanation...
Isn't Seinfeld is doing the same in the lawsuit ?

Those accusations are dead serious, reputation destroying stuff. Seinfeld would make them without any shred of evidence, ya think ?

pmax 02-26-2019 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10369735)
What's the deal with counterfeit Porsches?

Counterfeit "experts".

Matt Monson 02-26-2019 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 75 911s (Post 10369689)
The rich kids I know steal for sport and entitlement.

Growing up, the rich kids I knew were the most likely to steal, rape, and otherwise engage in immoral acts, kind of like our President.

Nukar sales 02-26-2019 09:44 AM

Let me explain , if you can get the right bunch of parts and find the right people with skills you can build just about anything. I know a man who is building an all steel speedster right now he is an old world panel beater every panel is exactly correct, is it going to be a clone yes, he not trying deceive any one . It's when you set out to deceive a buyer to profit it becomes ugly. Who ever built this car is going to be found out it's too small of a community, and if it was for profit there,s a legal term for that fraud , if this issue gets pushed to far someone could be doing a little time, gives plenty of room for personal reflection.

speedster911 02-26-2019 10:18 AM

Has anyone read the book BLINK? many "experts" have been fooled on a variety of items

Items in the Smithsonian museum, LA art museum etc. have been found to be fakes.

ShopCat 02-26-2019 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nukar sales (Post 10369824)
Let me explain , if you can get the right bunch of parts and find the right people with skills you can build just about anything. I know a man who is building an all steel speedster right now he is an old world panel beater every panel is exactly correct, is it going to be a clone yes, he not trying deceive any one .

This car may have even started out in that vein a long time ago, makes you wonder what it'll sell for after it gains this notoriety. My guess is higher than expected...

dwelle 02-26-2019 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 10369800)
What's your problem ?

Nukar is the only one who seems to have an idea of what's ahead, he hinted at this second lawsuit ...



Isn't Seinfeld is doing the same in the lawsuit ?

Those accusations are dead serious, reputation destroying stuff. Seinfeld would make them without any shred of evidence, ya think ?

seriously? no problem at all, pnutz. just looking for some clarification is all. he threw out some info that would suggest that the EC guys have done some shady stuff. if he has something pertinent, i'd be keen to know what that is. otherwise, it just comes off as baseless trash talking. par for the course around here, i suppose.

no horse in the race. i'm familiar with EC and their work. even spent a week in fiji surfing with nick and his brother a few years back. nice enough guy, just wondering if they have a dark reputation that i am unaware of...

juanbenae 02-26-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nukar sales (Post 10369824)
Let me explain , if you can get the right bunch of parts and find the right people with skills you can build just about anything. I know a man who is building an all steel speedster right now he is an old world panel beater every panel is exactly correct, is it going to be a clone yes, he not trying deceive any one . It's when you set out to deceive a buyer to profit it becomes ugly. Who ever built this car is going to be found out it's too small of a community, and if it was for profit there,s a legal term for that fraud , if this issue gets pushed to far someone could be doing a little time, gives plenty of room for personal reflection.


English a second language? :D

Rawknees'Turbo 02-26-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10369813)
Growing up, the rich kids I knew were the most likely to steal, rape, and otherwise engage in immoral acts, kind of like our President.

Oh man - fookin' awesome (and true)! :D

robertmark 02-26-2019 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10369813)
Growing up, the rich kids I knew were the most likely to steal, rape, and otherwise engage in immoral acts, kind of like our President.

In my School the most corrupt kids had Police men for dad's. And yes, experts can be fooled too. Maybe if we're all lucky AOC will run, then we can all sit at home and wait for the freebies to land in our mailboxes!!

Matt Monson 02-26-2019 12:30 PM

Other than the fact that she’s totally unelectable at a national level. But the red hats are gonna try to pitch her as the face of the Dems for the next two years. Fear sells. Donnie proved that.

robertmark 02-26-2019 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10370017)
Other than the fact that she’s totally unelectable at a national level. But the red hats are gonna try to pitch her as the face of the Dems for the next two years. Fear sells. Donnie proved that.

Not to go into the political gutter, because they are all basically cut from the same cloth. She is the face of the Dems, no pitching required. If you want to be happy these days, limit watching the news, and get out and drive a Porsche!!!

Matt Monson 02-26-2019 12:54 PM

Sell. Sell. Sell.

faapgar 02-26-2019 01:07 PM

Nukar sales
 
Hey Nukar.I have seen the car the panel beater is creating.I am in Pinehurst NC and he is not far away.His work is better than the factory.What a set of hands on that guy.Fred

1979-930 02-26-2019 01:57 PM

^^^^ UhOh Fred. Better reword that last sentence before you know who sees it...


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Matt Monson 02-26-2019 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faapgar (Post 10370058)
Hey Nukar.I have seen the car the panel beater is creating.I am in Pinehurst NC and he is not far away.His work is better than the factory.What a set of hands on that guy.Fred

Too late. :D


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