Another interesting development on BAT

[nathanbs]

This ‘75 MFI Carrera has developed a case of the hiccups. Probably more exciting if you read from the top down instead of the bottom up. What do you think it will end at? Less than 1 day left.
PROS:
MFi carrera
Numbers matching
Sport seats worth 3 x seats on COA
Runs “fantastic”
CONS:
Wrong color repaint
Sunroof
Spoilerless per COA
Was a track rat now converted, concerns over potential damage facing maybgabe some to original magnesium case.
Small details like steering wheel incorrect

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-porsche-911-carrera-7/#comment-3058269

[Macroni]

Condition simple analysis..... it is a rebuilt race car.... PPI if possible.

Owners of these cars always face the conundrum of the same motor as a 2.7RS but not the same love ($$$$s)..... The current market is a bit confused as to values on both the 73RS and the 74 to 76 euro carreras. They are normally worth 1/3rd the value of an RS. Right now the RS market is dropping.

I say $150,000 +/- 10%.

[rlane930]

The steering wheel is correct for a 1975 model year. Just crack open Ryan's book and you can see the truth. All MFI Carrera's were not equipped with the early Fatty.

I don't understand why no one takes the time to show the date code and stamps on BAT. It would be interesting to see the date stamp on the Japanese KPH speedo and the date stamp on the steering wheel. So easy to do but everyone just pontificates on what may be the truth.

BAT buyers:
1 - are obsessed with low mileage and tend to "believe"
2 - trust speedometers even without evidence (date stamps, etc.)
3 - pontificate without using available sources (MFI Carrera book, etc.)

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by rlane930

The steering wheel is correct for a 1975 model year. Just crack open Ryan's book and you can see the truth. All MFI Carrera's were not equipped with the early Fatty.

I don't understand why no one takes the time to show the date code and stamps on BAT. It would be interesting to see the date stamp on the Japanese KPH speedo and the date stamp on the steering wheel. So easy to do but everyone just pontificates on what may be the truth.

BAT buyers:
1 - are obsessed with low mileage and tend to "believe"
2 - trust speedometers even without evidence (date stamps, etc.)
3 - pontificate without using available sources (MFI Carrera book, etc.)

Now you are going to go make me check it again. I just checked recently regarding the “fatty” wheel. Either way a $1000 steering wheel is negligible compared to everything else. In the last 24 hrs someone checked the MFi registry and saw that it mentioned car had race trim including cage. Shortly after someone finds article about the car being a track weapon showing the cage and all in the car as proof. All very interesting. Follow the bread crumbs

[Macroni]

$174,000 (w/ Fees) was all the market in my opinion given the needs of the car.

[nathanbs]

I think it’s worth less but I’m thrilled that a wrong color sunroof with an interesting past was bid so high and valued so high by bring-a-Trailer to give a reserve even higher than the bid.

[nathanbs]

I would certainly be all over that “1st” ‘75 euro carrera produced for the same money and put it back to light yellow.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by rlane930

The steering wheel is correct for a 1975 model year. Just crack open Ryan's book and you can see the truth. All MFI Carrera's were not equipped with the early Fatty.

I don't understand why no one takes the time to show the date code and stamps on BAT. It would be interesting to see the date stamp on the Japanese KPH speedo and the date stamp on the steering wheel. So easy to do but everyone just pontificates on what may be the truth.

BAT buyers:
1 - are obsessed with low mileage and tend to "believe"
2 - trust speedometers even without evidence (date stamps, etc.)
3 - pontificate without using available sources (MFI Carrera book, etc.)

ok did as you said. "The initial 3-spoke sport wheel was used for 1974 and half of the 1975 model year, and featured a hub-centric design and thick-grip wheel", "Starting January 22, 1975, to comply with new regulations for the German and Australian markets the 380 mm three-spoke sport wheel changed to a new offset design." Being that the car in question is serial number 347 its very safe to say it was produced before this cutoff. Did I read any of that incorrectly?

[rlane930]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

ok did as you said. "The initial 3-spoke sport wheel was used for 1974 and half of the 1975 model year, and featured a hub-centric design and thick-grip wheel", "Starting January 22, 1975, to comply with new regulations for the German and Australian markets the 380 mm three-spoke sport wheel changed to a new offset design." Being that the car in question is serial number 347 its very safe to say it was produced before this cutoff. Did I read any of that incorrectly?

I'm not sure if '75 #0347 would be prior to the fatty wheel cutoff. I don't think Ryan's book has the production dates for all the MFI Carreras (this was an awesome addition to his 3-liter Turbo book w/ all chassis numbers and factory production dates). If they took the steering wheel off the car, it would be easy to take a photo of the date stamp and it might clear things up. Same thing would apply to the Fuchs wheels. They might have intentionally left out some of these details out as the dates may not match up. Taking a photo of the speedometer date would be easy as they pop out without much effort. Someone on BAT even suggestion that Mitsuwa re-worked the original speedo which I think is unlikely but might be more believable if the speedo date is late-74 or early-75.

[nathanbs]

It’s not an exact science but I have a ‘74 euro carrera ending in 664 that has a production of 12/73, a ‘76 euro carrera ending in 384 that has a production of 11/75 and a 77 euro carrera ending in 610 and produced 12/76 so it would seem a ‘75 euro #347 would be safely before January ‘75. I don’t completely understand the speedo comment. It was changed when car moved to Japan to comply with their federalization requirements. I think it would only potentially reveal what year it showed up in Japan which could lend to speculation on how many additional miles were put on it if it didn’t arrive for 5-10-15-30 years

[rlane930]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

It’s not an exact science but I have a ‘74 euro carrera ending in 664 that has a production of 12/73, a ‘76 euro carrera ending in 384 that has a production of 11/75 and a 77 euro carrera ending in 610 and produced 12/76 so it would seem a ‘75 euro #347 would be safely before January ‘75. I don’t completely understand the speedo comment. It was changed when car moved to Japan to comply with their federalization requirements. I think it would only potentially reveal what year it showed up in Japan which could lend to speculation on how many additional miles were put on it if it didn’t arrive for 5-10-15-30 years

You might be right on the production date for this MFI Carrera. If it left the factory before 1/22/75, and the steering wheel date on the car now is '76/77, that would be tell us that the wheel was replaced and is totally out of the ballpark (besides also not being an hub-centric wheel).

Someone speculated that Mitsuwa reworked original speedo and added the Japan market red range face so the case would have the original date stamp (BTW - I think this is B.S.). Regardless, I think that the speedo date stamp would provide some background reference for the car since it has no records before being imported to the U.S. This is true for date stamps for many other parts of the car (Fuchs, steering wheel, seats, spare wheel, H-4s, etc.) but like so many other auctions on BAT, details like this are never posted.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by rlane930

You might be right on the production date for this MFI Carrera. If it left the factory before 1/22/75, and the steering wheel date on the car now is '76/77, that would be tell us that the wheel was replaced and is totally out of the ballpark (besides also not being an hub-centric wheel).

Someone speculated that Mitsuwa reworked original speedo and added the Japan market red range face so the case would have the original date stamp (BTW - I think this is B.S.). Regardless, I think that the speedo date stamp would provide some background reference for the car since it has no records before being imported to the U.S. This is true for date stamps for many other parts of the car (Fuchs, steering wheel, seats, spare wheel, H-4s, etc.) but like so many other auctions on BAT, details like this are never posted.

Yeah I agree. I doubt Mitsuwa did anything short of ordering a speedo from Porsche. For me if dates are not posted I assume they are wrong.