I don't get the price swings

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

***bro buttmunching***, butt dayum well said!

The only thing that is "less enjoyable" for me now is the rise in parts costs, butt honestly, I don't know how much that has actually risen since I have always considered the cost of Porsche parts to be some sort of sick joke.

Used 3.2s used to be 5-8k.

Now those same used motors are 12-15k. For a used motor that doesn't even make 300hp.

Think of how much power you could make with a $12,000 LS1. It's ridiculous.

[dwelle]

but it’s an LS1.

don’t get me wrong, we’ve got one going in my brothers ‘67 camaro in the shop as we speak. that car is going to be sick.

but if that’s yer gig, just buy a chevy, right?

and driving and old chevy ain’t the same experience as driving an old 911, HP be damned (sorry ronnie)...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

Used 3.2s used to be 5-8k.

Now those same used motors are 12-15k. For a used motor that doesn't even make 300hp.

Think of how much power you could make with a $12,000 LS1. It's ridiculous.

How much of that is labor versus Parts? When I came to this game we charged $80/hr to rebuild engines and gearboxes. Now most of my dealers are up around $120-150/hr for the same work. That alone will significantly bump the value of a good used engine.

[ADDvanced]

Yeah I know, which is why I own one, but should a USED 230hp now 200ish hp 911 engine cost 12-15k?

I mean you can build a stout LS1 for 3-5k. Should it really be 4-5X MORE, but produce less than half the horsepower?

It's ridiculous. It was silly pricing 5-10 years ago, but now it has gone full retard.

[Matt Monson]

When you make a million of something, economies of scale allow you to run much lower margins and much better costing than when you are only making a few hundred or thousand. I get that song and dance all the time with my LSDs. "But I can buy a Ford 9" LSD for under $1000. How come yours is triple that?" Get a Mustang is my answer.

[Vaive]

Originally Posted by ficke

These cars are bought with a lot of emotion, so yeah color plays a huge role.
Many people have not bought 25 year plus old car before and need stuff to build confidence so receipts, maybe a dealer, BAT peanut galley approval, a well written ad, great pictures etc. seems to raise the price a lot.
And then there is subtle difference in 911's, transmissions, fuel systems, brakes, etc. that vary the price., but that is documentable and is to quantify.

I'm the opposite. I want nothing to do with dealers. Maybe a legit one like a Porsche dealer, but a no-name, corner lot type place? That just screams RUN AWAY FAST to me.

Buying a 25+ year old car (and in many cases 40+ year old) is full of risk no matter what. They'll will need a lot of money constantly put into them no matter how pristine condition they're in upon purchase. There's no easy button on this one.

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

Yeah I know, which is why I own one, but should a USED 230hp now 200ish hp 911 engine cost 12-15k?

I mean you can build a stout LS1 for 3-5k. Should it really be 4-5X MORE, but produce less than half the horsepower?

It's ridiculous. It was silly pricing 5-10 years ago, but now it has gone full retard.

markets are made by things being available and someone willing to pay a certain price for said thing based on what is currently available in said market.

that whole supply and demand thing.

get off my lawn!

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

"But I can buy a Ford 9" LSD for under $1000. How come yours is triple that?" Get a Mustang is my answer.

well played...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by ADDvanced

Used 3.2s used to be 5-8k.

Now those same used motors are 12-15k. For a used motor that doesn't even make 300hp.

Think of how much power you could make with a $12,000 LS1. It's ridiculous.

Yep, I definitely think that the costs associated with a power plant that doesn't make much power (in ummodifid, n/a trim) is beyond absurd (the turbo pricing as well, but at least you are getting some power in exchange for bending way over).

One other disappointment in the pricing rise, that I didn't think of yesterday, is that in the current market, I could not afford the price of admission - not by a long shot.

[1979-930]

After three years of owning and driving a Porsche I pulled out the Mustang after a year of not driving it. It's a well built car with weight savings everywhere. 5.1L Aluminmum block 360WHP, T56 6 Speed, Griggs GR40 suspension, fiberglass, Alcon Brakes, Magnesium Speedlines, ect.
The car feels slow and heavy now. I can make it do whatever I want. Super predictable to drive and play with the power. But now that I am comfortable with the feel of the Porsche there is no going back.
Even if I put a modern Coyote engine in the Mustang, and upped the HP, the feel of the car won't change. It would just spin the tires further.

And my son who loved the Mustang more now prefers the Porsche.

[dwelle]

smart boy you got there, derrick...

[brother911S]

The light feel of the 911 and handling on the road is something modern cars have trouble achieving. With all the safety features of today; we will never go back to light little cars. Even the new 991 is huge and heavy. Enjoy the simple 911 of yester year

[alexl911]

I disagree... there will be a revolution in automotive engineering in the near future. Cars (especially expensive, high performance sports cars) will eventually be built from fully carbon fiber infused with graphiene. Packaging of electric drive trains will become much lighter as well. Just look to F1. Our cars will be built the same way in maybe 10 years? When cars were invented they simply bolted gasoline engines to horse carriages. The way we build electric cars today is kind of the same.