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ADDvanced 07-11-2019 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10519622)

That's an interesting question....

on top you have a guy who wrenches and obviously DGAF about track times, but chooses to mod things to get scene points in the parking lot.....

on the bottom you have a rich guy who writes a big check to own a supercar and probably doesn't even do basic maintenance.

I guess if I had to choose I'd go with the top image, because that person actually understands how things work and has done a suspension swap at least. The bottom guy is probably a fat old piece of **** who knows literally nothing other than what the sales guy told him.

Matt Monson 07-11-2019 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520123)
That's an interesting question....

on top you have a guy who wrenches and obviously DGAF about track times, but chooses to mod things to get scene points in the parking lot.....

on the bottom you have a rich guy who writes a big check to own a supercar and probably doesn't even do basic maintenance.

I guess if I had to choose I'd go with the top image, because that person actually understands how things work and has done a suspension swap at least. The bottom guy is probably a fat old piece of **** who knows literally nothing other than what the sales guy told him.

Your bias is showing.

matt930s 07-11-2019 05:10 AM

Dude...seriously?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520123)
That's an interesting question....

on top you have a guy who wrenches and obviously DGAF about track times, but chooses to mod things to get scene points in the parking lot.....

on the bottom you have a rich guy who writes a big check to own a supercar and probably doesn't even do basic maintenance.

I guess if I had to choose I'd go with the top image, because that person actually understands how things work and has done a suspension swap at least. The bottom guy is probably a fat old piece of **** who knows literally nothing other than what the sales guy told him.


ADDvanced 07-11-2019 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10519920)
so it takes hundreds of hours of training to think that looks good?

b.a.r.f.

*happily not trained to be a designer*...

Again:

https://imgur.com/gallery/v7Ust

That car will look closer to the concept sketch, the design intent, before the bean counters and focus groups got involved. Designers make the wheels FILL the arches, and center them in the arches, and reduce the tires to rubber bands to show off the rim design. Most concept sketches look something like this, in the ideation stage:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....1_porsche3.jpg

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Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10519791)
:eek: But that’s where the factory set the ride height at so it had to be the proper height. The best stance from the factory as far as I’m concerned, is the euro spec 930. ROW 930s sit and look right, everything else comes up short.

http://luxuryautomotosale.com/sites/...13259463_4.jpg

They look better not just subjectively, but objectively they are adhering to more design principles; the wheels are centered in the arches! That's why it 'sits' nice. To be honest, it would be even better with some spacers in back so the wheels don't look sunken into the fenders...

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 10519938)

And this, looks like dog****. I remember this car on BaT. I called out the ride height and the seller argued with me, I argued back and found factory photos that were way lower than this, this ride height looks like ****, OBJECTIVELY, because the wheels are not centered in the wheel wells.

Stance Matters, bros.

JMS935 07-11-2019 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520123)
That's an interesting question....

on top you have a guy who wrenches and obviously DGAF about track times, but chooses to mod things to get scene points in the parking lot.....

on the bottom you have a rich guy who writes a big check to own a supercar and probably doesn't even do basic maintenance.

I guess if I had to choose I'd go with the top image, because that person actually understands how things work and has done a suspension swap at least. The bottom guy is probably a fat old piece of **** who knows literally nothing other than what the sales guy told him.

How you can tout design and also choose the top car over the bottom car in that image is completely nonsensical to me. It seems like you’re picking is solely based on the assumed owners of each prospective car, not the cars themselves. It also goes starkly against your design sense of the wheel needing to fill up the wheel well properly. Well how do you achieve that better than the bottom image?!? You’re not making sense to me...

speednme1 07-11-2019 06:18 AM

Just had mine lowered a tad. I like it and would not lowner it anymore but to each their own. I’m not a fan of the slam cars but I can appreciate what a group of enthusiast are trying to achieve. A Motörhead comes in all shapes and size(not the kind that rawkees likes..big) but we all have our passions and we should learn to appreciate other brands and styles. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1562854646.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1562854646.jpg

Mocker 07-11-2019 06:55 AM

Looks good, Rey. That Ice Green Metallic 930 is set up perfectly--to work on the car antenna and AC receiver/dryer without removing the wheels!

ADDvanced 07-11-2019 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10520126)
Your bias is showing.

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 10520127)
Dude...seriously?

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Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10520137)
How you can tout design and also choose the top car over the bottom car in that image is completely nonsensical to me. It seems like you’re picking is solely based on the assumed owners of each prospective car, not the cars themselves. It also goes starkly against your design sense of the wheel needing to fill up the wheel well properly. Well how do you achieve that better than the bottom image?!? You’re not making sense to me...

I wasn't saying which one had better fitment or looked better. The fitment is far superior on the Konissigisisgisg; wheel is centered in arch, wheel gap is even but minimal, wheel sits flush with body. Looks great.

The question on the meme was "which guy knows more about cars", and it looks like someone who wrenches/modifies cars vs some rich banker type who pays for all the service to be done and has never gotten his hands dirty.

Sure, my bias is showing. Go to cars and coffee and talk to people who own exotics. Most of them are tool sheds that spout nonsense and pretend to know what they are talking about. I'd rather hang out with the 17 year old who swapped a K series into his civic than some banker that plays in excel all day, pays for all his maintenance, and talks down to people about hard work and making it in America when banking industries **** our economy and then get bailouts from tax payer money.

juanbenae 07-11-2019 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520285)

Sure, my bias is showing. Go to cars and coffee and talk to people who own exotics. Most of them are tool sheds that spout nonsense and pretend to know what they are talking about. I'd rather hang out with the 17 year old who swapped a K series into his civic than some banker that plays in excel all day, pays for all his maintenance, and talks down to people about hard work and making it in America when banking industries **** our economy and then get bailouts from tax payer money.


all over the map comes to mind.

specialtyoneinc 07-11-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by speednme1 (Post 10520214)
Just had mine lowered a tad. I like it and would not lowner it anymore but to each their own. I’m not a fan of the slam cars but I can appreciate what a group of enthusiast are trying to achieve. A Motörhead comes in all shapes and size(not the kind that rawkees likes..big) but we all have our passions and we should learn to appreciate other brands and styles. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1562854646.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1562854646.jpg

Very nice!

JMS935 07-11-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520285)
I wasn't saying which one had better fitment or looked better. The fitment is far superior on the Konissigisisgisg; wheel is centered in arch, wheel gap is even but minimal, wheel sits flush with body. Looks great.

The question on the meme was "which guy knows more about cars", and it looks like someone who wrenches/modifies cars vs some rich banker type who pays for all the service to be done and has never gotten his hands dirty.

Understood. I'd still say the answer to that question (trying to be completely unbaised), would be the owner of the Koenigsegg. The other owner has purposefully set up his ride that doesn't suit anything other than eyes gawking at it and laughing, it surely doesn't make for a better or more sporty ride.

specialtyoneinc 07-11-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by juanbenae (Post 10520306)
all over the map comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520123)
That's an interesting question....

on top you have a guy who wrenches and obviously DGAF about track times, but chooses to mod things to get scene points in the parking lot.....

on the bottom you have a rich guy who writes a big check to own a supercar and probably doesn't even do basic maintenance.

I guess if I had to choose I'd go with the top image, because that person actually understands how things work and has done a suspension swap at least. The bottom guy is probably a fat old piece of **** who knows literally nothing other than what the sales guy told him.

Looking just a lil too deep into this one or contrarian trolling?

ADDvanced 07-11-2019 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10520358)
Looking just a lil too deep into this one or contrarian trolling?

Idk man. Have not been impressed at all with most supercar owners. 911 owners are okay, but even then, most of them don't wrench. This forum is probably an exception, but I went to a PCA meet once and everyone had white hair and paid for everything to be done. Not that cool imho. Gearheads wrench. Supercar owners don't.

JMS935 07-11-2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520383)
Idk man. Have not been impressed at all with most supercar owners. 911 owners are okay, but even then, most of them don't wrench. This forum is probably an exception, but I went to a PCA meet once and everyone had white hair and paid for everything to be done. Not that cool imho. Gearheads wrench. Supercar owners don't.

It sure sounds like your problem is people with money...The ones that have enough of it to afford themselves to never turn a wrench or change their own oil. This sounds more like a jealousy thing than anything else.

Macroni 07-11-2019 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520383)
Idk man. Have not been impressed at all with most supercar owners. 911 owners are okay, but even then, most of them don't wrench. This forum is probably an exception, but I went to a PCA meet once and everyone had white hair and paid for everything to be done. Not that cool imho. Gearheads wrench. Supercar owners don't.

Most supercar or high end owners I know are accomplished...... some are also difficult to cheer for.....

dwelle 07-11-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10520126)
Your bias is showing.

just a bit.

"car" people come in all shapes and sizes...

Matt Monson 07-11-2019 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 10520383)
Idk man. Have not been impressed at all with most supercar owners. 911 owners are okay, but even then, most of them don't wrench. This forum is probably an exception, but I went to a PCA meet once and everyone had white hair and paid for everything to be done. Not that cool imho. Gearheads wrench. Supercar owners don't.

But that's not what you originally said. You said the supercar owner doesn't know shyte. Now it appears you are both agist and anti-rich.

I know plenty of supercar owners in my customer base. Very few of them were born rich. Many of them were club racing and self supporting 40 years ago in an old 356 or 911. Today they are in their 70s, retired, and racing Cup Cars and GT4 Clubsports and driving something even nicer to the race weekend. They earned the right to sit there in their coolsuit and drink an iced tea while some shop tech checks their fluids and tire pressure. You're judging appearances with zero knowledge of their personal history. It's a very niave approach to people and in the end it's only you who will miss out. I have met and gotten to know some absolutely fantastic people who make more annually than I will make in my lifetime.

Rawknees'Turbo 07-11-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10520467)
. . .

"car" people come in all shapes and sizes...

Size matters (despite what pNutz often gets told)!!!:eek:

Matt Monson 07-11-2019 10:16 AM

Raw's theme song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfMZOR8eWI

pmax 07-11-2019 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwelle (Post 10520467)
"car" people come in all shapes and sizes...

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3656...ffff,t.3u2.jpg


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