COA ... numbers matching info NLA?

[wintersurf]

Tell me it ain't so!

I have a 1969 911T highly original low miles.
I am fairly confident that the engine and trans are number matching. I do not have a COA or a Kardex. Shoulda done it years ago but, DUH!

And, now I hear the COA no longer comes with the eng / trans numbers.
I have heard that if I PROVIDE the number of eng / trans then if CORRECT the coa certificate will print those number on the certificate.

True / False ?

I want to know for sure if this is a numbers matching car.
What is the best way to get this info now?

And if coa will not verify the numbers will a kardex do the trick?

Thanks for your input.
Doug

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by wintersurf

Tell me it ain't so!

I have a 1969 911T highly original low miles.
I am fairly confident that the engine and trans are number matching. I do not have a COA or a Kardex. Shoulda done it years ago but, DUH!

And, now I hear the COA no longer comes with the eng / trans numbers.
I have heard that if I PROVIDE the number of eng / trans then if CORRECT the coa certificate will print those number on the certificate.

True / False ?

I want to know for sure if this is a numbers matching car.
What is the best way to get this info now?

And if coa will not verify the numbers will a kardex do the trick?

Thanks for your input.
Doug

I’ve been told the only way now is to go to one of the 8? Porsche Classic dealers and pay them a small chunk of money to do an inspection on your car. One of the things they do is report your engine and trans numbers to Porsche of America and they will then in turn print the numbers on a COA I believe. Fun!

[matt930s]

Several years ago, I called Porsche to verify my 911e (engine and Ronnie); I had to fax them a copy of the title and my DL. They called me back with the numbers for my 69.

Not sure if they still do that.

MattR

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

That special wishes gearbox probably added at least $25k to your car's overall value, bisch!!!

[wgwollet]

Ok
You can buy a book telling us VIN numbers to the engine and transmission
This will tell you a range of engines vs the range of VIN numbers
Start with that and if in the ranges it’s very likely matching
I used the book in the days when looking at cars because the COA was $100

Very unlikely someone would install a engine in the correct range to the VIN
But. In later cars the vin and engine numbers are on the hood sicker

[BK911]

Originally Posted by matt930s

Several years ago, I called Porsche to verify my 911e (engine and Ronnie); I had to fax them a copy of the title and my DL. They called me back with the numbers for my 69.

Not sure if they still do that.

MattR

I went through something similar last year.
PCNA wouldn't give me the numbers, but they did verify the numbers I provided.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by wgwollet

Ok
You can buy a book telling us VIN numbers to the engine and transmission
This will tell you a range of engines vs the range of VIN numbers
Start with that and if in the ranges it’s very likely matching
I used the book in the days when looking at cars because the COA was $100

Very unlikely someone would install a engine in the correct range to the VIN
But. In later cars the vin and engine numbers are on the hood sicker

Negative Ghostrider. It’s very very common for people to have the correct year and series type as the next best thing to the original. I have 4 cars personally that are all missing their original motors but have the correct year and type so that’s a big fat no sorry to say. Which cars have a sticker under the hood with the engine number on it?

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by BK911

I went through something similar last year.
PCNA wouldn't give me the numbers, but they did verify the numbers I provided.

It’s all changed now. My first comment above is the only way now as I understand it

[wintersurf]

Thanks for all the responses regarding the COA. I will see if I can find a workaround.
- Doug

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Negative Ghostrider. It’s very very common for people to have the correct year and series type as the next best thing to the original. I have 4 cars personally that are all missing their original motors but have the correct year and type so that’s a big fat no sorry to say. Which cars have a sticker under the hood with the engine number on it?

Yep. Seen it more times than I have toes and fingers. Same reason I have a 1974 911/83 case in my garage with the number scraped off it. Someone wanted to make it look like a replacement case for a car that had lost its original. I bought it after the car owner found his original and reunited them.

[speedster911]

I believe the classic P delear inspection/ # verification is now $500.

[High Hope]

I provided the engine and transmission numbers from my 356 on the “CoA” application (it’s called something else) and the certificate came back as “matching numbers” w/appropriate numbers listed.

An earlier experience w a different car (911) sent PCA the same data, I got a call that the numbers weren’t matching, and did I still want to pay for the certificate. I agreed, and the certificate listed “information not verified,” which I knew already.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by High Hope

I provided the engine and transmission numbers from my 356 on the “CoA” application (it’s called something else) and the certificate came back as “matching numbers” w/appropriate numbers listed.

An earlier experience w a different car (911) sent PCA the same data, I got a call that the numbers weren’t matching, and did I still want to pay for the certificate. I agreed, and the certificate listed “information not verified,” which I knew already.

Unfortunately this is already the old process. They will no longer confirm numbers such as they did on your 356 without it going to a porsche classic dealer and having an inspection

[turbotoo]

NIGHTMARE! PORSCHE scamming their base. Dig into this to understand what they've done to everyone. Sarah is usually on that would help everyone at the COA dept. NO LONGER!

Classic Technical Certificate (CTC) which is a comprehensive certificate providing important production information and technical specifications of your Porsche. For information regarding the CTC, please visit the below website.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservices/porscheservice/vehicleinformation



coa@porsche.us
Sara Edie
Porsche Specialist, Certificate of Authenticity
Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354-9817

[turbotoo]

Someone should start at threat "Boycott Classic Technical Certificate (CTC)" See who in on this...

[techweenie]

Hey, Wintersurf! Fish around for anyone offering a Kardex. It's a 'backdoor' service that requires some... um, rewards to insiders, but your 69 is the last year the Kardex was used, and it's far more accurate and valuable than the old CoA was.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by speedster911

I believe the classic P delear inspection/ # verification is now $500.

That is correct. They will do a full inspection of the car and report its issues as condition in a nicely printed document in a folder. It is several pages of info but they will not make note of originality and will just state if the engine and trans numbers are within range for that MY of car.

A lot of BS if you ask me.

[High Hope]

This looks like a lot of "lawyering up" by Porsche, especially for the litigious US. I can imagine more than one lawsuit cropping up over a factory statement of originality and a purported "original matching numbers" car being disputed as a result.

[techweenie]

'numbers within range?'

Any one of us could do that with 10 minutes of googling...

[specialtyoneinc]

Since values have increased and fraud is definitely out there, I don't think Porsche AG wants to get involved in any lawsuits.