Paint to Sample value ADDER and other value factors

911 tweaks · 08-23-2021, 02:00 PM

1. Is there a rule of thumb, so to speak, for the value adder (% increase in value) for an SC era car that was ordered as a "paint to sample" color...? This car would obviously be a 1 of 1 car due to the unique color it was painted, thus, my question here...

2. Also, from my following Porsche air cooled car values, a car having numbers matching engine & transmission maybe adds 0-10% but does not subtract from the cars value as opposed to a car that did not have numbers matching which is a ~10-15% deduction...

3. Possibly, does there exist a list of the "+" and "-" factors for determining the true value for this era cars...

Please chime in with any and all relevant info... thx, bob

Matt Monson · 08-23-2021, 02:14 PM

For the PTS it can be anywhere from 10-20%.

Engine number matching is expected and assumed.if it’s not, it’s a ding.

911 tweaks · 10:15 AM

Thx Matt…
Is there a list of the factors that affect the value for these era cars…?
I guess for me to try and start a list:
1. PTS… and is paint OG…factory original
2. Sonder werks ordered options
3. Engine # matching
4. Transmission # matching
5. Date code correct Fuchs
6. Have/Get a coa or it’s new version to see what to check for
7. Sekurit Original glass at all places
8. Documentation/paper trail... original BOS, manuals, window sticker, etc...
9. Frunk items...tool roll, jack, spare tire...
10.....

Thx for all of your input...
I guess getting a concourse/show check list would be very helpful to not miss any items...

Can someone post a picture of the form that judges use to grade/authenticate a cars pedigree...?

Matt Monson · 08-23-2021, 03:36 PM

Not that I’ve ever seen. To use Suga’s favorite word, pricing them is a bit visceral.

Rick Brooklyn · 07:29 PM

I would add to that list original paint, not just spec-correct color. Repaint in spec color is better than repaint in random color but worse than paint that came out of factory paint guns.

Also not sure about paint to sample for those old cars. If someone bought a car in a PTS shade similar to modern Seal Gray or Artic Silver, that today looks common and boring, does that add a lot of value compared to long lost colors that were standard at the time, but which you never see anymore on modern cars, like ruby red, aubergine, bamboo beige etc.? I think not.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that "absolute" color (is it a nice, unusual for today, shade, regardless of whether it was standard or to sample) trumps "relative" color (special order but banal and boring), in my view.

911 tweaks · 08-24-2021, 02:39 AM

Good point Rick… “OG” original German…
It’s only original once….

speedster911 · 08:29 PM

I wouldn't take a firm position of non-matching motor negatively affecting price but I do agree with the thought.

IE: cool color, overall great car and someone spent big bucks on a motor but not matching..... may not be a car for a purest collector but it may be a car someone has been dreaming of and willing to pay up ..

I would add to your list of value items:

Documentation: bill of sale, window sticker, owners manual with all owners listed/ service stamps, what dealer originally sold the car, service records, Personal items from previous owner/s who owned the car( Parade, local PCA events etc) , photos

Frunk Items: is tool kit complete and original, correct and perfect air pump, condition of spare tire, jack ever been used

Mileage: Low mileage car and paper trail to confirm TM would add value

maninblack · 08-30-2021, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

For the PTS it can be anywhere from 10-20%

Can be a lot more than that for the right, true PTS car.

Matt Monson · 08-31-2021, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maninblack

Can be a lot more than that for the right, true PTS car.

No doubt. I’m talking in general terms for the condition 3 cars most people here buy and sell. Your cars are in a different realm than most, and when you’re dealing in condition 1 type stuff color can be a huge value adder. I totally agree.

911 tweaks · 08-31-2021, 10:21 AM

I just updated the list... thx everyone...

Can someone post pictures of what judges use to grade/authenticate cars at shows...?

Seeing the form would get down to the nitty gritty but as far as "value adders & value detractors" I don't know if such forms list items more important than others and/or how they actually judge and come up with scores for cars ie items of more importance than other points... And then, how would we turn that into percentages/$$ value increasers & decreasers...