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Yea saw that one yesterday (I've been monitoring the 911 listings for a few weeks - I'm going to be in the market for one soon I think). Absolutely amazing piece of history there. I certainly hope it goes to a person that will take care of it and race it occasionally.

The green-on-yellow color scheme is pretty hard to look at, but it IS a 1970s car after all. . .

Surprised to see it has a sunroof.

Good looking car. The seller doesn't seemed to thrilled to answer questions about the auction.

Plus, he is not giving accurate answers, since the 'kneepad number' is the VIN number, AFAIK.

More importantly, there's talk elsewhere on the web that RS #406 is safely tucked away in someone's collection back East.

Fascinating. I suppose you could tell once and for all if this was a fake, if you measured the thickness of the sheet metal?

-Wayne

ROFL, probably has a shill bidder going to town on it. If I were him, I would crap seeing a 0 feedback bidder bidding 100K ;)

I wanted to bump this, to get more input. If this is fake, it's probably one of the best looking fakes I've seen in a long time.

-Wayne

Porsche made around 1500 1973 RS coupes...and today, there are only 2300 left....

Here's a big thread on RS#406 on the Early S Board:

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7290

Paul's words couldn't be truer.

thin metal cars are real easy to check without measuring anything:
put your index finger in the middle of the roof and push down- a production thickness car will just budge a little- a thin metal car will pop in
Test # 2: then lift the hood- with your fingers and thumb you can twist the trunk panel behind the gas tank (where the i.d. vin is located) up and down

There is holes along the rocker for the trim. Why would you take this off a piece of history like this? The LTW did not have the trim but the touring did IIRC. It would be so scary to buy a car like this!!

This is a bogus car and I can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have photos of the production # from the real RS #406 which was on eBay Feb. '05. That # has been verified by the only person I know of that has copies of the original build sheets.

The seller of the car on eBay now has refused to provide the prod. # off his car. Case closed.

PS This is not a piece of history but rather a very well done RS replica made to decive.

Well there seems to be a solution. The current owner of #406 (the real car) is obviously not poor. Poor people don't own these cars. If I were him, I'd spend the money to bring a lawsuit against the Ebay seller; the FBI would already be apprised of the situation. VIN tampering is a federal crime. If you want to get your car permanently logged as the original, there's nothing like a lawsuit to get it hardwired into history.

Although the above statement is true, it reminds me that 5/4 Americans have trouble with fractions but I digress....

The obvious tell-tale sign is that the seller seems insulted any time someone tries to get more info to verify the car. This is a sure sign that something is rotten in Denmark.

If this is a fake it could hurt the value of the real RS #406.

Kenik,

There is an effort being made to contact the current owner of the real car right now while the imposter is still listed on eBay.

Look at the zero feedback high bidders name, someone is a phony bidder and is scamming this scammer.

Kudos to all involved.

Also, the high bidder on the 911/83 engine.

It may be a person who is a shill for the Seller.

I think it is someone screwing with the seller. He probably bid a million bucks with no intention of ever buying. This way, no buys a fake car and as penalty, he doesn't get to sell his motor either. Probably a restamped blank 7R case anyway. Like Robin Hood for Ebay...

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User ID Bid Amount Date of bid

tgoodtbtr ( 0 ) US $101,500.00 Jun-23-06 18:16:39 PDT


amoco ( 265) US $101,400.00 Jun-25-06 17:58:23 PDT


wbpjr ( 92) US $101,000.00 Jun-23-06 17:44:32 PDT


tgoodtbtr ( 0 ) US $95,000.00 Jun-23-06 18:16:24 PDT


tgoodtbtr ( 0 ) US $85,000.00 Jun-23-06 18:16:09 PDT


crpg3 ( 74) US $75,000.00 Jun-23-06 11:57:08 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $55,000.00 Jun-23-06 15:54:23 PDT


edwip930 ( 28) US $50,000.00 Jun-23-06 04:57:37 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $35,000.00 Jun-23-06 06:15:01 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $30,000.00 Jun-23-06 05:15:09 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $27,500.00 Jun-23-06 05:14:37 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $25,000.00 Jun-23-06 05:09:24 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $20,000.00 Jun-23-06 05:02:59 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $15,000.00 Jun-23-06 04:53:15 PDT


tomboyea123 ( 41) US $10,000.00 Jun-23-06 03:25:11 PDT


paul7293 ( 4 ) US $10,000.00 Jun-23-06 04:52:38 PDT

Yep, that's the idea.:D

Never buy a car or trust a seller on Ebay without a certified inspection.

educate me..You build a light weight race car with thin sheetmetal and a sunroof?

no Porsche did. Some like sunroofs and will suffer the compromise.

I hear there's even a crazy guy back East who has a targa based race car with big brakes and a 38L RS motor in it....

I dunno about others, but I feel my enthusiasm waning...too much rottenness out there in the early 911 world these days. The value of the longnoses spiraling upward wasn't all a good thing, was it? This is why I find myself hoping the price bubble breaks, lessening the motive for VIN tampering.

Higher values are a two edged sword.

High values motivates those that own these cars to restore or rebuild those cars that would otherwise languish in a depressed market (which will happen again). In my mind this outweighs the negative stuff like fake cars which, I think, are a very small minority in the universe of early 911s.

But a minority nonetheless.

And you'd be wise to check out the inspector...I know of one I would never trust.

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I like that: tgoodtbtr = too good to be true?

:D

According to my docs, the engine number should be 663040 and the transmission number should be 7830399. I'd like to see photos of the engine and transmission number from both of the "reported" #406s. I would also like to see the sheetmetal in both of them measured. I'm sure that will show who is the clone and who is not.

-Wayne

Ok now this is getting interesting.
The Car in question is about 25 minutes north of my house.
If I email the guy and ask to see it in person and he agrees.
I figure the Engine & transmission Number would not to hard to get but sheetmetal measurements? Is this done with a caliper?

Wayne, I'm glad to see that you are on this. If I didn't post this earlier, a HUGE tip of my hat for your work on the stolen engine recovery as well. :)

you can test sheetmetal with your fingers.

goat
go to your carrera and push down in the center of the roof- doesn't cave in does it? go to the front trunk panel behind the gas tank (the one holding the power brake booster and a/c box cover) and try to twist it with your fingers- almost no give at all. When you go see this yellow car (IF he lets you!) try this again on the roof and the front trunk panel- only lighweight paneled cars will allow the give we are looking for- the roof will cave in almost 2 inches in a snap while the trunk panel will give about 1/2 " twist

i am in contact with the seller of the real #406 and also a friend that had inspected the yellow one, when it was in germany, for a purchase. Will get details back from both soon.
So our group CSI effort can help expose the phoney one!

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