What am I doing Wrong? 1989 930, $27.5K???

[ewave]

This is depressing. I have seriously been trying to sell my immaculate 1989 911 (930) turbo with 56K miles, started at $32K (I though that was aggressive), and now the price is down to $27.5K

I understand the fact that the car has been painted, and has had some repair on the left front... But seriously, I see this car advertised for $40K+. So I have really already significantly discounted it. The alignment is perfect, and the car is straight, and looks perfect. It was a very high quality repair... And there's no record of it on Carfax... It was not a total or salvage or anything.. Just a front left fender replacement.

I've had this car for 11 years, and kept it immaculate.

Oh well. Any advice, or encouragement would be appreciated. I am really bummed out at how low the price is going.

Victory Motors offered me $26K. I really don't want to trade it in to a dealer... But that looks like where it is going..

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=495946

[Yorkie]

It might be that the style of the upgrades has not aged well. The incorrect front spoiler, color matched fuchs and the rear testarossa style air scoops and the tinted glass might not suit todays buyers. I'm sure that this car looked sharp back in the day but even though the condition is wonderful its obviously not appealing to the buyers in 2009.

I'm looking for a 1989 930 myself and if I owned this car I might be tempted to replace the front spoiler with the correct type and then refinish the fuchs black. You never know, those changes might cost a couple of grand but net you $5K and a faster sale.

Good Luck with the sale - I'm tempted myself but I'm in California and not sure it would pass the smog.
Kevin

[wgwollet]

Its a great car....but the reader is correct....its not totally original...

People really like everything original or near original....to get top buck

But the price of 27.5k is very nice and it should sell....even with the changes made.

That should bring 30k because its a G-50 and low miles...forget the wreck,,,most people would not know..

But, I looked far and wide for my 930...its a 1986 coupe all black but very original..I seen modified 930 and never would look at them...

[WPOZZZ]

Those guys are right. Most people want an original car. The boxed rockers are also a part that needs to be changed to original rockers. The front spoiler is an easy fix. However, the vented rears are not easy to fix properly and that would be the biggest problem I see.

[cellison]

I have been looking and for me originality is the key. yes the paint/repaired damage and vents/front spoiler are detractors. the white wheel are an aquired taste but are correct if it came from the factory that way... i forgot what the code is for that option as i have it on my cab. $27 is a great deal for an 89, but it's not what i'm looking for. Please don't sell it to Victory or another flipper..but you have to do what you have to do.

[Macroni]

change rockers and spoiler...... IMO vents are not as objectionable......

[gsjohnson]

Interested in trading for a 996?

[onboost]

Originally Posted by Macroni

change rockers and spoiler...... IMO vents are not as objectionable......

Mac is spot on!

That spoiler screams aftermarket I want to be a slantnose.. along with the boxed rockers.

I would go back with stock rockers, and possibly a Ruf replica front valance as it's very tasteful & clean.. & would also work well with the 1/4 vents which are very acceptable and were available as an option from Porsche.

On another note.. this is a tough market to sell in. A lot of people may want but can't put they're hands on the cash. The bank ain't exactly jumping to loan money on a 20 yr old car.

Good luck..

[ewave]

Originally Posted by onboost

Mac is spot on!

That spoiler screams aftermarket I want to be a slantnose.. along with the boxed rockers.

I would go back with stock rockers, and possibly a Ruf replica front valance as it's very tasteful & clean.. & would also work well with the 1/4 vents which are very acceptable and were available as an option from Porsche.

On another note.. this is a tough market to sell in. A lot of people may want but can't put they're hands on the cash. The bank ain't exactly jumping to loan money on a 20 yr old car.

Good luck..

When you say "spoiler", you mean the front air dam right? Because that is a stock rear turbo tail...

I do appreciate the advice... Those ARE the factory option original painted center Fuchs. Personally I thought the car looked much better with these kinesis wheels...

[bpu699]

I wish you luck selling! Looks like a nice car...

Don't know if you saw my other thread, but I just bought nearly the same car, in black...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=490141&page=6

Post #114

Same boxed rockers, same vents, same left front accident damage...kind of erie, actually....

I know the guy who sold it to me said he had a heck of a time selling due to the accident history, and after market C2 bumpers...

[ewave]

Originally Posted by bpu699

I wish you luck selling! Looks like a nice car...

Don't know if you saw my other thread, but I just bought nearly the same car, in black...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=490141&page=6

Post #114

Same boxed rockers, same vents, same left front accident damage...kind of erie, actually....

I know the guy who sold it to me said he had a heck of a time selling due to the accident history, and after market C2 bumpers...

My car does not have any "accident history". No salvage title. Clean title and carfax. It just had the left front fender replaced. It is very hard to tell that this has been done. I am just being open with every possible defect.

The front wheel is turned in the picture with the kinesis, so it looks kind of funny.

[cellison]

Full disclosure is great. Persoanly i'm tired of folks not giving full disclosure and mis representing a car, and you go make the effort/time/$$ to look at it and it's not what you expected.

According tho the PPI, "Left front frame has been repaired." (Very Well). to me this is different than just replacing the front fender. did you not have the car sold before? if so why did the deal fall thru?

If i purchased this car, I would swap out the front spoiler and leave the boxed rockers on as it fits with the vents.

[kilodawg]

Okay slightly different perspective having a factory slant.

If the rear fenders are steel and both them and the boxed rockers are a high quality job I think you would be crazy to replace them. That is after all a factory look. A lot depends on parts and execution. The front spoiler is not factory and the wheel color change is a cheap easy fix if you wanted to try that.

There were only a few slant nose delete option cars and with a proper front spoiler this car would look the part. Those cars do carry a premium...

Really though aside from perhaps the spoiler I don't think the visuals are breaking the deal. As a result I wouldn't advocate spending significant bucks to change things.....

[onboost]

Let me correct or be more clear.. I, like kilowdawg am not advocating spending the bucks to make these changes.. merely giving my opinion on changes I think would make the car more appealing to a wider audience..

And yes, I was speaking of changing the front air dam.. not the rear factory rear "spoiler." Oh, it does look hot with the Kinesis wheels!

[racer]

Also consider some other issues besided the obvious economy related ones.

This is a 20 year old car. The buyer pool is pretty small to begin with. Then realize all the OTHER Porsches in the same price range (say $25-35K).. so.. Other turbos, 3.2 Carerras, 964, 993s, 996 (which for daily driver use is superior to the 930, and likely out performs it), Boxster and Boxster S for instance.

IMHO, the buyer demographic for a 930 10 years ago was someone looking for the "hottest, fastest track car out there" type of guy. Now that these cars are older, its less "track" oriented and more concours or "original condition" oriented. They would rather pay more for the "perfect" car than one that has had some kind of accident.

The 930 will appeal to many (I love them, but man I don't want to afford to maintain one). The front spoiler doesn't detract to me.. neither do the Boxed Rockers or fender vents since they were available from the factory back then. The white Fuchs might be a bit much, but again, are period correct. I wouldn't change a thing to "sell it".

Guess the question really is, how quick did you think it would sell ? How long has it been on the market?

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by ewave

When you say "spoiler", you mean the front air dam right? Because that is a stock rear turbo tail...

I do appreciate the advice... Those ARE the factory option original painted center Fuchs. Personally I thought the car looked much better with these kinesis wheels...

Looks great on those wheels, and that is a desirable car. I do sometimes find it ironic when a dealer will offer you more that an enthusiast, but then they have the clientele. All I know is that it is your option to hold out for your price, and you won't get it if you aren't willing to wait.

That said, I think that classic Porsche buyers are a fussy lot, who often buy on looks and emotion. If your car had the Iconic look, it would already be gone. Many don't like a look that reminds them of Miami Vice, and many would not be willing to put the time and effort into making a good car fit their desires. They would however buy the car that fits their imprinted ideal and spend three times as much trying to get it to run right.

Yikes !.

[joeym]

IMHO the front spoiler doesn't look right...I would source out a factory valance or a ruf replica, the white fuchs to black (rattle can would work) and the rest is fine. you'll probably pull more buyers, if you do these simply and inexpensive change.
the majority people who buys older p-cars are purist and there are only few, the closer you get the car to stock form, the greater chance you have of selling it.

The repaint shouldn't be a negative, these cars are getting old and a proper repaint should be a plus. The frame repair might be a negative to some buyers even though it was done right.

If Victory offered you $26K and you're in a hurry, I would give it to them and let them deal with selling it. Your price is $27.5, it's pretty close. You're just gonna have to wait for the right buyer that will perhaps keep this car for a long time.

Good luck....

[ewave]

Originally Posted by joeym

... the white fuchs to black (rattle can would work) and the rest is fine. the majority people who buys older p-cars are purist and there are only few, the closer you get the car to stock form, the greater chance you have of selling it....

Thanks for the advice... The White Fuchs are factory original. It would pain me to rattle can them aftermarket black....???

[kilodawg]

If they are factory original it's best to just leave them....

[Macroni]

The more I look at this car the more I like it as is......
You will get the money just be patient.