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1972 RS Clone Value
OOPs, just posted a valuation question on the 911 board and then saw this board. Rookie mistake.
Just looked at an immaculate 1972 911T made into an RS clone. Looks like no expense spared. Great paint work even under the car, inside the doors, fenders, under both ends. Any surface that has been painted is completely free of dirt or any debris and looks perfect. They found a factory RS ducktail and a factory gas tank. Everything seems sorted. Motor has about 6500 miles, runs strong and has that great aircooled sound. Now for the hard part. Listed at $90k, but says make me an offer. Don't want to insult the guy, but don't want to over pay. Nice car, but at the end of the day it is a restored 911T with RS bits. Any help is appreciated. Merry Christmas |
Post pics or provide a link. $90k is over the top money for an RS clone made from a 72T IMO
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Didn't take pics this morning, but can. Having thought about it, the owner has priced this puppy as an RS Clone without the official RS VIN. He seems to have gotten everything right, except at the end of the day it is just a 911T that has been massaged. Must say, it is gorgeous, nothing wrong, all the right moves, but....$90k.
There is another project car, 69 body, 3.0. That is $25k and I am sure they will take less. To me the value is not in trying to replicate something that cannot be, rather in the joy of a lightweight early 911. I don't think I will pay for someone else's obsession. |
Spending $90,000 to build a well done clone is believable. Unfortunately, for the seller it is very difficult to get this type of money out of the car. This is due to the need to find that exact buyer who the car strikes a chord with and more importantly values the cost of the finer and costly details, such as the original ducktail.
I bought a $22,500 3.2RS clone and now have over $100,000 in it. Purchase price is sometimes the cheapest cost! |
Before;
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293143617.jpg After: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293143685.jpg Most fun car I have ever owned! |
Great looking car. In looking at them both, maybe what I really want is an outlaw R Gruppe cars
What motor do you have? What do you think its value is? |
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Value: Tough question probably 50% to 75% of what I have put in it. I am a firm believer of 200+hp and lightweight. In the long hood category that is either a hotrod or an RS. I do have to say the experiences in this car have been priceless! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293146610.jpg |
Thank you. I certainly agree with your thoughts on the experience plus or because of the car, being the Porsche idea.
At the end of the day, its the value to me and not the seller. The RS stuff is nice, but I am not a purist, so I suppose I offer him high $40's that he rejects. Then on to the next idea |
$90K? suckit. Build your own for 1/2.. most RS clones are $18-30K depending on quality of build and desirability of builders choices (ie, 2.7MFI? Stock 3.2? stock brakes? 930 brakes? 7/9 fuchs? 17" lindseys etc etc. )
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Had basically the same thought. Car has 2.7 with MFI, stock RS aluminum calipers, the "real" ducktail, the "real" gas tank. Kinda, sorta says the builder was obsessed, but that does not translate to real $$. Got say though, I have never been under a 911 of that vintage that is as clean and tidy as this one. I know that is just elbow grease, but impressive none the less.
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Clone $$
$90K to buy a 911T based RS clone? "I'm left speechless"
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$90K to buy a 911T based RS clone? "I'm left speechless"
Couldn't agree with carjmark more. $90k buys an '08 TT with low miles + warranty, it buys the CMG hot rod TT that is on Ebay, and gets really close speedster pricing. Going to look at a '69 body with a 3.0 for $25k. That seems still a bit steep, but we will see when I can get it up in the air to take a look. Will try to get some pics of the pricey car too. Merry Christmas to all. |
A Gunnar Racing Build: (real RSR suspension among many authentic details and parts)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293206889.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293206919.jpg 74 w/ Euro 993RS motor (Price the motor alone) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293207000.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293207040.jpg Spectacular TRE Build http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293207123.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293207231.jpg All cars for more than you would pay for an 08 TT. One is the equivalent of two 08 TTs. All are part of multi-car collections. I have learned not to judge the sanity behind individual builds. |
Macroni, shows that it is better to build your own than buy someone else's obsession. The cars attached to your message are great. I particularly like the yellow Gunnar build. What is in the TRE car, do you know?
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/554849-robs-911st-cafe-racer.html |
The cars that Luke (Macroni) has posted are fantastic cars. I suspect that each of them cost at least $90k to create, if not more. That doesn't mean the owners can recover that money if they decide they want to sell, but if you have a vision of a car in mind, and want to enjoy it before you get too old to drive, be prepared to spend a lot of money and time.
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I can't tell you guys how much your comments/input has meant. I have recognized from the start, that value is in the eye of the beholder/restorer and probably not the author of the car. Having said that, I am hopeful that the car I see on Monday, a '69 with a 3.0l motor at $25k, hopefully $20k will form the basis of one of the cars that you all have posted. Because from my view, and at the end of the day (cliches), it is what make you smile.
Thank you guys and Merry Christmas |
affordable Hot Rods
This is the category of cars that are continuing in evolution.
Expensive but not nosebleed nuts...... 3.0 Replica (84 T/L) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293280250.jpg 72 3.0L Hotrod http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293280755.jpg G series Targa http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293281214.jpg 72 2.7T http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293281784.jpg G series 3.6 http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293281955.jpg |
Classic Hot Rods
Wench (a '69)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293282180.jpg S Targa (2.7 Muscle) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293282302.jpg 67 SWB http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293282410.jpg 73 Targa http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293282521.jpg Grey Wolf (For sale currently, very affordable) http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?64790-1971-911T-Targa-2.5L http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293282668.jpg |
A few pricy RSs
72 Euro3.2L
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293283733.jpg 73 3.4L http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293283848.jpg 71 3.2L http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293284112.jpg Why we build them.... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293283767.jpg |
Many Configurations
Backdate
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293285514.jpg Sporto http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293285651.jpg SWB Rally car http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293285686.jpg 3.6L G Series (Auto Associates) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293285834.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293285904.jpg |
Rat Rod
What is this worth?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293286077.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293286112.jpg 300+hp 3.6L variram....... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293286139.jpg I have seen quite a few hotrods. No holds builds to well thought out practical approaches. They are very personal and even ones that start on the cheap eventually work themselves up in cost. |
I did sell my '72 3.2 for more than I spent to buy the chassis and build it, but I also chose to be flexible about the parts I bought and took my time and bought most everything at good prices.
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What's in your wallet?:D Hey, if you are looking for a value priced, cannot be duplicated, iconic longhood, look no farther than the 71 Targa Luke posted earlier. I have driven thousands of miles with that car and a couple of track days. Without going into lots of detail, it is extremely well setup and turn key. You cannot go wrong with that car. PM me if you are interested and I can put you in touch with the owner.
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I have a friend who will be selling an excellent '72T-based RS clone with a 2.7RS-spec engine. It'll be under $50K, but not much under. A really spectacular car.
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to all, thank you. Send along any cars that may be for sale. I am interested.
The decision is getting a bit more complex. Drove a 69 912 body with a 89 3.2. Has the SC brakes and suspension. Got under the car and it does not have rust in the usual spots, though it will need another shot of undercoating. This one is asking $25. Body is good, not great with a few scrapes and nicks. This interior has carried a dog, so full of dog hair. Will need lower dash replacement, potentially upper dash too. Has Recaro RS seats. They will replace the large diameter steering wheel with a smaller one and put in a short shift kit. Has the 16gal 912 tank. The work has been done by guys associated with The Racer's Group. I went back by the first car, the pristeen one. Made an off handed comment about the price and said I thought that it was more like a $45k to $50k car. He said make an offer. So, dear friends, here is the dilemma as I see it. The 69 needs about $10k worth of interior clean up replacement (dash, gauges, carpet, door liners) and some TLC on the exterior which puts me at $35k or so. The 72 need nothing, though I would probably change the seats. Thoughts? |
The upper dash replacement is not trivial because it requires removing the windshield. That makes it a good occasion to replace the headliner, if necessary. $10K for everything should cover it nicely. What trans does the '69 have?
A key question here is: do you get enjoyment from doing work on the car yourself? If not, do you have a competent nearby specialist to do it? If the answer is 'no' to both, consider the "done" car. |
Trans is a 915.
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Here is the '72
Just a couple of the exteriorhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293495186.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293495223.jpg |
Here's the'69
Not nearly as clean. Been thinking that to make it look like I would want, there would be paint involved. Getting expensive nowhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293495329.jpg
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Found a photo of my friend's car that he will be selling. RS-spec 2.7 engine, sunroof '72T chassis. Painted by one of the best shops in Los Angeles.
This is just a snapshot. Will get good pictures. This car would be under $50K, tho not much. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1293497488.jpg |
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1. Nowadays, looking at hot rods with a $50K budget will get you into a pretty nice car. Good position to be in. 2. I would recommend buying a 911 hot rod over a 912 hot rod any day. You might end up with the same car in the end as far as powertrains and everything else goes but I think that there will always be an additional cachet to a car that started life as a 911 rather than as a 4-cyl. 912. JMO. Cheers d. |
Tough call. My inclination would be to make an offer for the 72 after PPI.
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On the 912 you can change the color, you can change the engine, the transmission, the interior but you cannot change that serial number and that is a deal breaker in my book. |
Thanks Gents. You are mirroring my thoughts. Will let the 72 sit for a couple of days, though I do in live in NoCal where there is stupid money. I like that car, just not willing to go over $50k for it. What does the group think about offering $42.5k knowing I will get a counter or doing say $47k with no room to move?
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IMO, (Repeating myself) You need to verify the build quality w/ a PPI prior to offer. If the car is as described, I would only make my best offer. Why add insult to injury? I do not believe the owner would be asking for offers if there were multiple parties interested in the car.
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