Opinions on this car? Modified '70 911T

[kazlx]

I looked at this car the other day...and while I like it, I don't think it is worth the asking price. I am having a friend that is more knowledgeable come with me to take a look this weekend.

Not knowing much about P cars, as this will be my first, it looks like the car was updated and flares were added at some point. From looking at cars the 911T is decently desirable, although in more stock trim.

It seems that it would have sold already if it were stock at this price. I would just like to be able to drive the car and enjoy it and not take a bath if I decide to sell down the road, knowing no matter what I pay for the car there are no guarantees in this hobby.

I am fairly handy and have had plenty of other automotive projects. I have just been looking for something fun with some curb appeal that I can drive and tinker with at the same time. It doesn't seem like all that difficult of a project to return it to long hood status at some point, if I so desire, and that it would add to the value.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/651092-fs-matching-1970-911t-wide-body-14-500-obo.html

[techweenie]

Way too much to discuss here, but bottom line is that the value is in unmodified long hoods. This car has a double whammy in that it's a short hood conversion with flares never offered on long hoods. Another whammy is the color change.

Get the car close to $10K and you'll probably be okay.

This is a great example of (presumably expensive) work diminishing the value of a 911.

DISCLAIMER: the above is relating to market value norms. Customized Porsches are usually more emotional buys than logical buys. No doubt this is the perfect car for someone, as it sits. Just not for the market at large.

[tsp533]

I'm currently in the process of converting a 1969 911 E that was forward-dated and has steel flares, back to original long hood. I'm keeping the flares. As an example of what your car may be worth, I paid $10,000 for the '69 E in October 2011, with all rust repaired and most of the bodywork completed.

The car is not numbers matching, but came with a strong running 2.4 L with Webbers and an additional 2.7 L with Webbers - very low miles and no mods except for 3.2 chain tensioners. I am rebuilding the 2.7 L to "RS" specs.

I calculated the value of the '69E without the extra engine (and with non-original seats) to be about $7,500. The conversion back to long hood, 2.7 rebuild and paint to original silver color will give me an "RS" clone that I figure will be worth about $25,000, and that's about the cost I will have in the car. Kinda dumb from some perspectives, but at least it will be built the way I want.

Hope this helps - remember this is only one man's opinion when it comes to values, costs, etc.

[kazlx]

Thanks for the info. I personally like the way it looks now with the flares, just curious as to re-sale down the road if I do want to sell it for some reason. What kind of condition was yours in when you got it? This car looks very nice, just doesn't have any juice to back it up. From doing my research, it's at a cross road where I would need to take it back to stock to appeal to the purists or give it some nuts to appeal to the hot rod guys. I like the motor swap idea personally, and I wouldn't even bat an eye if it didn't have the original matching motor.

[BK911]

Yea, all show and no go.
A *proper* engine is ~$10k, so now you are at $25k.
For that you can buy a nice original long hood.

[tsp533]

Originally Posted by kazlx

Thanks for the info. I personally like the way it looks now with the flares, just curious as to re-sale down the road if I do want to sell it for some reason. What kind of condition was yours in when you got it? This car looks very nice, just doesn't have any juice to back it up. From doing my research, it's at a cross road where I would need to take it back to stock to appeal to the purists or give it some nuts to appeal to the hot rod guys. I like the motor swap idea personally, and I wouldn't even bat an eye if it didn't have the original matching motor.

Having matching numbers is nice; it certainly is a positive when it comes time to re-sell, but if this car is going to be your driver, make it the way you want and drive the p*ss out of it.

I personally don't mind flares either, but I abhor the forward-dating look when it comes to fenders, bumpers and lights. The cost to convert back to long hood is not cheap, but worth every cent IMHO - especially on a car that was originally a long hood.

Best of all worlds - Build a rocket-ship motor, keep your original numbers-matching stuff stored somewhere, and back date to how the car is supposed to look, 'cept for the flares. Once again, just my humble and probably mis-informed opinion.

[kazlx]

That is actually what I have been thinking of doing. It seems there is some value in a non-accident tub with the numbers matching motor to go with it, even if it does have some cosmetic changes. I think I could get away with the flares and a long hood.

On a side note, what is required to go back to the long hood? I have searched for some threads, but most have been informing to use the rubber latches for backdating cars that were originally short. If I converted it back, I would want it to be factory style and have the latch that actually works.

[wgwollet]

This whole world of long hoods is getting very interesting quick.

The long hoods are climbing back in value, original cars are finding much interest. These cars were not cheap new, but three major things make these cars hard to find original today.

First, the sheer amount of cars modified over the 40 years of usage. Two RUST and three fairly low volumes.

Just my 2 cents

[tsp533]

Originally Posted by kazlx

On a side note, what is required to go back to the long hood? I have searched for some threads, but most have been informing to use the rubber latches for backdating cars that were originally short. If I converted it back, I would want it to be factory style and have the latch that actually works.

If the car has the original long hood latch cross panel (I can't remember what this panel is called - Any Pelicans have the correct terminology?), it would be very easy to convert back. If it now has the post '73 short hood panel, it would need to be cut out and replaced with an original hood latch panel.

Many threads deal with this general issue.

[kazlx]

I ended up purchasing the car and I should be bringing it home Saturday.

[Macroni]

stuff a 3.6 in it and add the go to the looks........

[kazlx]

Already looking at motor options. Trying to decide what my best options are.

[budge96]

Originally Posted by Macroni

stuff a 3.6 in it and add the go to the looks........

While many seem to go this route you would be well advised the braking ,suspension and transmission don't really lend themselves to a high horse-power conversion.
That goes without mentioning the expense involved, a more suitable and easily
attainable route maybe a 3.0 liter which will provide considerable fun and sporting
performance without providing sufficient enertia to end your days...just my .02,
Bert