Value: 1-off 959 Conversion
 

Trying to get a value for this vehicle.
1982 Grey market 930 chassis imported into U.S. and then converted to 959 specs.
Body panels alone cost $25K back in the day. Engine thoroughly modified.
Countless man hours invested.
46k original miles. Concours condition throughout
Been owning it for almost 20 years. Still great to drive, nothing else (except the real thing) like it.

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So does the "conversion to 959 specs" include twin-turbocharged engine with water-cooled cylinder heads, complex electronic AWD system, and selectable ride-height adjustment (for example)? Would need some more detail on the conversion.

Cool looking car to be sure but may not be any more valuable than the "donor" 930 was. You will need a very specific kind of buyer to get top dollar for this car.

Cheers, she's a beauty.

d.

15,000 about

A few of these were done back in the day, to varying degrees of quality, but I have never seen one where the mods added much if any value to the donor car. A very hard sell, and in many cases viewed as a negative to value, but a lot depends on the quality of the work and the correctness of the mods.

Having seen a lot of these conversions. Have to say, this is the best looking one I've seen.

I agree looks great. I have seen pictures of the car being built on a 964 frame by Series 900. A tribute to the Safari car. Very slick.....

I would price the car $40,000 to $50,000 and see how it is recieved..... ultimately it is a turbo....

What's an '82 (euro) turbo bring these days? $30K

Its likely worth more to you (the owner/builder) than to the vast majority of pelicanites. This would move better perhaps in an ebay/craigslist ad.

To me, the kit is a "minus" in terms of value.

What does "engine thoroughly modified" actually mean? Any other upgrades? How about the suspension?

Are you looking for a value from a "selling" perspective or for, say, insurance purposes?

To most this conversion would be a huge negative and it would be extremely hard to speculate on a price. I would be shocked if it brought more than $12k on eBay.

If built on a '77 S with a stock 2.7 and brakes I'd agree.. But at least its a genuine TURBO underneath.. so big brakes, 300+ hp etc to begin with.

I think the other challenge is that Turbos seem to be climbing in value as of late.. cetainly early unmoleted ones. One might argue that for the US, an '82 is a gray market car and not worth as much.. others might argue the other side since an '82 would be more rare in the US.

Comes down to finding someone who like the currently owner, really likes the 959 kit and then the quality of the kit and install of it as well.

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If looking to sell, I would be interested to discuss the vehicle further.
Thanks,
Tim 312.320.8699
choisohang@aol.com

Thanks for the interest and most of the intelligent feedback - I will try and upload some more pictures this week or next.

For those interested in more pics of this car, it is listed here>>>

1982 Used Porsche 930 EuroSpec 959 Body Upgrade at Victory Motorcars Serving Houston, TX, IID 9108576

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Every time I see one of VMC's adds with that "service integrity trust" on the wall it makes my stomach turn given their reputation.

Intercooler in the rear fender on the 959 clone? Not my cup of tea but looks in the pics well done.

I have never seen a speaker set up like that before...

I think it's a cool car.

Hmm - not sure why VMC would have such a terrible rep. I asked around and everyone seems to like the guy behind the name. Read the feedback on Ebay - 100% positive. Maybe I' m missing something...

You are missing a ton. Do a search, they have a TERRIBLE reputation on just about any car site. Just do a google search, about 10 of the first 20 results are warnings about them.

Ebay feedback is worthless since they made changes a few years back.

Very indeed very cool car, it is currently selling for about 1/25 of an original ones price so not too bad. Wonder if you can drop the rear down a bit, probably the only area where it needs some attention to get a correct effect.

Dude, this is like selling a blow up doll and claiming it might sometimes when your eyes are closed, be your hot first cousin.

Part it out IMO. Might get more money that way.

Followed a similar car, believe from Texas. Progressively reduced price and I think it finally sold at $25k. Parting a grey market 930 will net about that but not worth the effort.
Nice looking car and you may find a nonPorsche buyer to pay that much.

The dealer you are selling with is perfect for that car. He specializes in finding clueless/uneducated buyers with deep pockets.

Setting the record straight -
The first thing you do when you buy a 15 - 50 year old car is your own research and your own independent inspection, not rely on the person selling it. I think some of you guys need to get with it and read between the lines on some of the bad press on VMC.
Second, it would be pretty foolish and goofy to invest over 35+ years and $500 K in some state of the art mechanical/showroom facility, and be bluffing people on the condition of your inventory. Sooner or later, bull**** catches up with you. Go there and see it in person. This guy's as close to the real deal as it gets.
Thirdly, yeah Ebay feedback has gotten watered down. But having a perfect record from 250+ separate buyers says something, don't you think?
And lastly, having owned it for 20 years, I know my car. It ain't some dolled-up POS rolling down the hwy. Some of you are too jaded to know sh** from quality coach and mechanical workmanship. Like Neal, it's as close to the real deal as it gets.

There has been a lot of well documented BS from that seller. Paying off feeback, posing as a satified customeron this forum, in bed with the PPI people they steer you to, etc etc.

With all that known, I have said it before, if he has the car you must have then it cant hurt to look or ask questions, just go in with your eyes open.

LOL! ...not to mention his buying tactics! Having had several pcars over the years, I have been low balled by this 'seller' to the point of ridiculousness.

Yeah, go ahead and pay him over top retail because he screwed some other clueless car seller, while he 'sells' you on his intimate knowledge of his inventory!

I once asked them why they buy on eBay under one name and sell under another?

There were some notable cases where cars were listed/sold as well documented with service records. They just didnt note that the service records shown in the photos were not for the car that was listed.

I still stand by what I said earlier. If he has a "THE" car you want it cant hurt to look and ask, just dont be foolish.

Here is a classic example of the stuff pulled at VCM

Porsche : 911 Speedster 4 | eBay

That car which they call an actual "speedster" and lising it with a speedo reading in KM's and showing it with under 300km's actually is a US spec Carrera 4, and according to the carfax had over 87k miles on it back in 2007. Why not let potential buyers know the FACTS rather then have to look them up?


Those are the kinds of silly tricks they play all the time and why their rep is so sully all over the internet.

I don't know much about VCM, but anyone who still shops Ebay Motors is pissing into the wind.

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