'Modified' 1975 Turbo

[mick2013]

Anyone have an idea on what #47 of the first 50 930's w/ a 3.L and power seats should go for (34000 miles)?

[spuggy]

As it sits, it's a modified turbo - and a 3.0 at that. Miles are too low for a driver.

Does it still have the chocolate brakes? What about the original valence, seats, wheels, tail? Exhaut? Motor looks kind of stock. Who fitted the strakes? Should'nt a '75 have the early (NLA, hard to find) tall headlight washers?

Guys who want a modified turbo likely prefer a 3.3 (certainly would prefer the brakes), probably prefer to tune it themselves, likely don't care enough about "low production #" to pay for it, know that upgrades have a very tiny return (or even detract) on resale. Worse, they probably want to drive the car, so very low miles isn't great for them. And they're a very small market.

Folks who would pay for "#47 of 50" probably prize non-restored originality above everything - and prefer to see the owners handbook/service book and a useless 30 year old spare fan belt in a time-capsule stock car with no non-factory parts or changes at all. Not even powder-coating on pulleys, much less an aftermarket intercooler in a year the factory didn't use one at all...

That's where "investment" money goes. You should pitch at the second group, because they'll pay twice as much as the other guys. You can probably get all the parts you need to return to stock from the first group, though

My $0.02

[CountD]

Originally Posted by spuggy

Folks who would pay for "#47 of 50" probably prize non-restored originality above everything - and prefer to see the owners handbook/service book and a useless 30 year old spare fan belt in a time-capsule stock car with no non-factory parts or changes at all. Not even powder-coating on pulleys, much less an aftermarket intercooler in a year the factory didn't use one at all...

That's where "investment" money goes. You should pitch at the second group, because they'll pay twice as much as the other guys. You can probably get all the parts you need to return to stock from the first group, though

My $0.02

This is right on. This car did make #1-#46 and #48-#50 of 50 that much more valuable though.

[WANNA930]

Maybe stupid question, what are chocolate brakes?

[christiandk]

It is probably worth the parts minus the work it takes to dismantle it.

Terrible looking and unoriginal car - look at the paint job around the engine bay - the goons have painted over the latch!

Poor car!

[christiandk]

Sorry Mick - I did not realize that you owned the car. I did not mean to offend you in any way.

But given the lack of originality and the poor quality of the repaint etc. I dont belive that the car will have any premium to the sales price because it is #47 of the first 50 930's.

Furthermore I find the milage very hard to belive.

But we live in a strange world and the car could probably sell for 20-25K on eBay.

Cheers,

Christian

[whiterabbit]

The car is worth good money even in this modified condition if its a 1975 vin.

1975 and 1976 turbos are getting big money now.

Having said that is the engine and body panels original?

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by WANNA930

Maybe stupid question, what are chocolate brakes?

'78 through 81 (I think) got 917-derived brakes with floating front rotors, hat and separate spacers. After that, front rotors were fixed (and spacer offset incorporated into the rotor hub). These are "930" brakes; biggest brakes you can fit under 15" wheels and a massive upgrade to 911 brakes in terms of thermal capacity.

Brakes on 2.7 911's and SCs just aren't in the same league; (thinner rotors than 3.2's). Early 930's got the same brakes as the 911 of the same MY (although supposedly the alloy "S", rather than steel, calipers - which, ironically, I've read don't handle overheating as well as the steel). '77 up all got a brake servo, but not on earlier cars.

Brakes on a stock, pre-78 930 are generally considered - *cough* - not well matched to the performance of the car; "chocolate" refers to a propensity to overheat.

Brakes and intercooler are perfect examples of significant functional upgrades for early 930's - very desirable if you drive the car, right up there with junking US-spec thermal reactors that both strangle and prematurely damage the motor, or fitting a turbo designed for a 3 litre gas sports car rather than a 20 litre diesel truck (or whatever the heck the 3DLZ was actually built for).

But there goes originality out of the window.

[mick2013]

My thanks to spuggy, CountD, WANNA 930, christiandk, and whiterabbit for your thoughtful responses. All original body panels. Have an original whaletale, but no original 3.0. will upload to my garage a better idea of what she is about, but based on what I am reading, value is in restoration for those who can afford it…

Again, thank you - you guys are my first technical responses since i joined several weeks ago!

Mick

[christiandk]

You are very welcome Mick - enjoy it or sell it "as is" - it looks like fun and fast vintage 911!