Is 9K too much?

[rpmoore2]

I'm about to sell my 1977 911S Targa. This is definitely a drivers car, however all the mechanical parts are in very good shape.

The good parts:

-The motor was rebuilt around 6,000 miles ago replacing the drive shaft and other parts. The previous owner did not fix a critical oil leak. A top end rebuild was not needed according to the local shop.

- They also replaced the clutch and and same shop did a transmission rebuild before that.

-I did some body work when I bought the car, replaced the carpet and redid the front seat covers.

-The car has a Euro 3.0 L replacing the original 2.7 at some point in its owner history. The motor is very strong.

-Right after ownership I had to troubleshoot starting issues which are solved now. A tune up was done. Replaced spark plugs, ignition wire set, check valve, thermo switch, fuel accumulator and hot air hose. Fixed some key wiring problems correcting the fuel pump operation when starting the car.

- The car drives and shifts great, and accelerates fine.

- Tires are in excellent condition. Brakes are still solid with no issues at all.

The bad parts:

- My 911 is definitely a drivers car. Its showing its age with 168,000 miles. Regardless with these miles the car rides very tight.

- There is the typical rust around the front window frame which has never changed since I bought the car. There is some surface rust below the battery tray. That is the only rust I am aware of. I've seen underneath the car several times.

- A/C no longer works.

- Really no past owner history to share.

What do you think? Is the 9K price too much?

[COLB]

You mentioned the engine was rebuilt 6k ago...but a top end rebuilt was not needed?

What exactly was done? 168k on the chassis -- what is on the engine?

How bad is the inside? Do the gauges function? Will it pass inspection?

The engine, tranny, and wheels are probably worth $6-7500 alone.

The one picture shows a pretty nice looking car. If there is paperwork on the engine and tranny, and both are still solid, I would think 12-14k would be a starting point pending the answer to the above questions.

I expect you could part it out for well over 9k.

[rpmoore2]

I don't have the specifics about the rebuild but the shop is still in operation and they have more records. I do have a parts list of things they replaced which was provided to me 5 years ago.

There is nothing really special about the engine from what I can tell other than I know it is a Euro 3 L. I did spend a lot on fixing a starting issue so a lot was replaced at the time such as tune up stuff. The car idles perfectly. I never have any warm start issues any more. The cold start is actually okay.

The inside is a 5 out of 10. I think for very little $$ the interior could be improved a lot. The back seat panel is faded. I am disappointed with the seat covers I replaced but I have seen cork seat covers for $450.

I guess I would agree about the value of the motor, never thought about the value of the wheels. That is probably close. It really is a solid motor with no leaks.

I have no problem with someone doing an inspection. In fact I would expect that.

I'm really not sure what a drivers car is worth because it is certainly not a concours car by far.

The car has been repainted before me and I have repainted the entire front. The trim pieces in the rear window are worn.

I think 12 - 14 is too much. One thing I wonder is the Euro engine a detriment or advantage.

[rpmoore2]

Not sure if I answered all the questions.

The engine itself was rebuilt when I bought the car 5 years ago. I was the one who broke it in. There is approximately 6,000 miles on the engine. I'm not sure when the valves were redone before that. The shop said the valves had no play in them so the head didn't need work. The only smoking issue I have now is after the car comes out of storage and sometimes if I don't drive the car for a month. I believe the transmission was rebuilt around 20K ago. The clutch was replaced with the engine.

[rpmoore2]

I don't have any records from the previous owners so I'm not sure what mileage is on the Euro engine or when the 2.7 L was replaced with the Euro engine. That's the down side with not having any prior records.

[CountD]

If you put it up for $9k I suspect it would sell very quickly. It looks clean even for a drivers car. You would have nothing to lose to put it up at $12k and see how it goes. Who knows? With the 3.0 it is somewhat more desirable, and the rear hasn't been flared. I would probably start it at $10,800 and see where it goes if you want it sold quickly.

PS. Remove the tail and sell it in a separate deal. It looks better without the tail (narrow body), plus you could probably get $500-$600 for the tail.

[Bristol]

My opinion - you would be giving the car away at $9K. I also think you are being way too picky and negative about the car. I see a lot more positive than you do. For example, the interior looks way better (from one picture) than 5/10 to me. Not everyone expects perfection from a car this old. The 3.0L engine in my opinion is a huge plus. You need to get documentation of the rebuild though from the shop that did the work. Also, people ALWAYS want a deal. So you are in a position of always needing to ask more than what you really think the car can sell for. I would offer it up at $15 to $17K and see where it goes from there. With all due respect to the other posters, I think that even at $11K it's an absolute steal for the buyer to get a running, turning, stopping, relatively clean 911 with the bulletproof 3.0L engine.

Kirk

[Rot 911]

+1 to Kirk and CountD. Definitely a nice car at $10K and lose the tail.

[rpmoore2]

Put aside my car condition for a second, I'm shocked by the price that is being suggested here for a 1977 911S. I thought these cars had the lowest value of any 911.
Now considering my car with a Euro transplant, isn't that considered riskier versus the US version of a 3L (granted the ROW 3L has more HP and it is a new rebuild).

[Jonny042]

Euro engine is a plus and you're being pretty hard on the car. Lots of cars in the high teens that need just as much work as yours, it's just being hidden and/or not mentioned or the sellers are not aware.

You could just keep it and enjoy it!!

[Matt Monson]

Put aside my car condition for a second, I'm shocked by the price that is being suggested here for a 1977 911S. I thought these cars had the lowest value of any 911. <br>
Now considering my car with a Euro transplant, isn't that considered riskier versus the US version of a 3L (granted the ROW 3L has more HP and it is a new rebuild).

They do have the lowest value of all 911s, but what you are seeing here is that that value is on the rise.
I would list it at $15 and expect it to sell around $12-13.

[Bristol]

Originally Posted by rpmoore2

I'm shocked by the price that is being suggested here for a 1977 911S. I thought these cars had the lowest value of any 911.

But why are the 74-77 911's the lowest valued? It mostly comes down to the 2.7L engines, pulled head studs, and thermal reactors. There are a lot of nice middies out there (I am building one now) where all of these issues have been addressed. In this car the 3.0L engine completely addresses these concerns. So if a decent 911SC will sell in the mid teens, then why shouldn't this car too?

Kirk