I do believe this is Aubergine. Here is an older photo of the car before it went downhill.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1396906078.jpg

Are the wheels correct on this car or are they replacements?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1396906221.jpg

I never see these kind wheels.They are replacements. Aubergine very nice color.

how old are you?

how much spare time do you have?

what are your bodywork/welding/ painting skills & equipment?

what are your mechanical skills & equipment?

what is your desire level and do you have the multi-year drive to do it up proud?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1396926950.jpg

I'm a big "Aubergine" fan.....;)

1973 911 T MFI Coupe, Aubergine

Steve

Jack Macafee wheels. An upgrade I think from the dealer ?

my 2cts:

this is a targa....
its a T....
no S-options....
no fuchs....
rotten condition....
bare metal full rebuild necessary.... (pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, pain, sweat, ...)

either you have all the means (money, tools, time) to do it or you must be generally out of your mind asking anyway, haha ;-)))

BUT: you wont be the first to attack such crusher candidate.

make us happy - go for it ;-)

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Spare time - I typically take on multi-year projects that have primarily focused on restoring antique motorcycles. I am pretty busy, and work on things a little at a time.

Metalwork - no skills, have to farm that out

Mechanical/electrical - pretty good. Can handle a lot of the dis-assembly and rebuild.

This looks like it could be a 10 year project to me.

The big question I am struggling with is what is the market value of this vehicle in this condition, and what is it worth today if it was pristine. Its the cost analysis thing.

I am finishing up a motorcycle right now and was looking for an antique car project. I was focused on Mercedes 190SL's in this hunt. The Porsche popped up and caught my eye. It is newer than the era I was looking at, but it can be difficult to pass on a good project. This is an interesting enough car and I know they don't pop up everyday.

Based on the photos provided, does the targa top frame look correct?

Erik, As an owner of a 1973.5T (coupe) my personal opinion on this car given the current condition is to part it out. As the longhoods escalate in price you will note that parts are going up as well. Go onto Ebay for example and type in Porsche 911door pockets. You will see that the door pockets identical to yours are going for a pretty high penny, even beat up! So if your current door pockets (two per door) are in decent shape, figure you can get $500 to $750 per door. Next, the seats. The older bench type such as in your car can fetch as much as $500 to $1000 if in good condition. And on it goes...............from the dash instruments ot the steering wheel to the shifter, windows, engine parts, wire harness, gas tank, etc, etc, etc.
Do you have the original toolkit? In decent shape it'll fetch $1000 and up.

Folks are hungary for these early 911 parts including me!!!! If you take time and clean these up you might comeout well ahead dollar wise. After that, sell the rusty roller for several thousand as well as the engine block.

If you decide to part it out advertise here on Pelican...................you'll get lots of interest.

My 2-cents


Bob
1973.5T

Full stop.

You are probably upside down just from the welding on this sucker.

A rare color, early T Targa -- in solid driver condition (not concours) -- these are trading in the $40-70k range.

I would look to sell it as is -- someone with the time & resources will pay to take this on. Maybe $10k? You never know. A crazy eggplant lover might go $15k. That seems like crazy money, but people are paying crazy money for these.

You COULD probably make more by parting it out, but is the extra 5 grand worth the effort to you?

Baffles me...looks the like the car sat outside for 40 years and put inside that garage last week with some stuff thrown on top to make it look like it has lived in a garage. Did he pull that thing out of the garden the last 10 days? Too bad, was a nice car. I don't think I'd go that deep even in this market.

3. What is a rough estimate to get this car in good running and cosmetic condition?

Give or take, twice the difference between your purchase price and what it's worth when finished ;-)
And that's your problem right there. If it were an S, or a SWB maybe... But much as I like to drive the CIS T, this is something you should walk away from. We can put numbers on this all day long, but at the end of the day, unless you own a shop and are a good welder and painter, are bored, and don't value your time at all, you're gonna be upside down. Rust everywhere, paint, interior, targa top, engine, and even the wrong wheels for pete's sake. Even in this crazy market, no...

From what I have seen/experienced

1. What is the ~ value of a 1973 911T in good running condition?

The prices have been all over the place recently and anyone can tell you we are in a long hood bubble right now. A mint restored one (coupe) will fetch close to if not over 100K in the bubble we are currently in. The Targas, a bit less but still over 65K.

2. Based on these photos what is reasonable market value of this car?
Its weight in steel...
Um 2K-4K as it sits is about what I would pay.

3. What is a rough estimate to get this car in good running and cosmetic condition?
More than you can ever sell it for...

Based on the pics you have posted this thing has a ton of rust damage. And if the plugs have been out, chances are they have been out for at least a decade or when ever the car was stuck in there. This almost certainly means rust in your cylinders based on what else is there. On the rust note, unlike beauty rust is NOT skin deep, it does much much deeper. You are going to end up digging for a few months before you even know where all the rust is. Lets say you need new floor pans, front pan, and hood repair, thats 25K easy (if you are not doing the meal work). Then you need paint, which im sure you will want to do nicely so lets call it 3K. Engine rebuild 10Kish. Odds and ends (these add up) 5K. Interior upholstery, 2K. Thats 45K right there and that is a gross underestimate.

The fact is you are asking a subjective question, what is the car "worth"? Well its worth what you and you alone are willing to pay for it. Many people here (myself included) prefer projects to pristine cars. The fun is in the fixing as much as it is the driving. That being said you could even go as far as saying this car is sought after by some. An untouched wreck. It is in some sense a blank slate that can be made into the car of someones dreams. The sky is the limit with this one.

Now 180 degrees on the other end of that is someone looking for a car to just drive. Maybe tinker with small things when they need tinkering but thats it. In that case this car is a nightmare. It will cost you much more to get this car going than it will to just buy a running one. This project (from some points of view) is a black hole. You will end up throwing money at money to fix problems you could never have foreseen. This car needs the works and then some. If you are not prepared to do the works or even 1/2 the works than be prepared to pay 100X the works.

What ever you end up doing, remember that dedication like this is why more than 75% of all Porsches ever made are STILL on the road today!

Regards
Dave

I bought my 72 coupe for $2k a few years ago. The body is sitting on it's side in a rotisserie (I built) eventually getting a bare metal re-spray (by me.). Engine is in pieces being reassembled by me. All the bits and pieces will be redone (by me.), seats, doors, suspension, headliner... Detecting a theme? Patience, a small ****pot of disposable money and a lot of time will keep you right side up. Don't even mention the word concourse and you may be OK. If you even consider doing this, go take a summer MIG and TIG welding class at your local CC.

Good advice. When I was younger, no kids, a teacher with summers and afternoons off, and friends who were Porsche mechanics I did the restoration on my '71. I have experience in sheet metal, welding, and mechanical work including all the tools. My car was PRISTINE compared to this one. It took me FIVE YEARS to get it done to driver condition. Look at these threads.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/673855-long-hood-project.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/614782-siren-song-68-homerian-epic-love-rust.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/643329-72-rust-repair-long-overdue-update.html
I'm not sure that car has enough metal left in the right places to ever be drivable again. Then again some would consider it a challenge.

Crossroads of long hoods
 

In the past few years, the short supply of long hoods and lots of new found wealth chasing the rare long hood have drove prices off the chart. Is it a restore & keep, hold for future restore, or restore & drive with an eye for future sale? It is a nice color CIS(steel tube runner) 911T Targa but not a MFI 911S Coupe. IMHO Many people will regret parting out their numbers long hood cars in a few more years. IME Get a restoration shop to put it up on a rack & pull carpet to give you an accurate current condition. You may want to store & hold for the numbers to get better but the parts will be more expensive & harder to find in the future. Best of luck.

Flojo, I'm running a set of Deep Six (5) Fuchs with Hearts, Restored by Harvey Weidman. The two rears Harvey, widened them to "Deep 7's"

Using BF Goodrich g-force Sports 205/55 R 15's on the front & 225/50 R 15's on the rear. Also using a 1/2 inch spacer on the rear too.

1973 911 T MFI Coupe, Aubergine

Steve

PS, where in Germany do you live? My daughter lives on Duesseldorf.

Bring it to sf, park where the Google bus picks up all its emps, put a price tag of 20k, sold! :)

ok, thanks.

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