Value? | 1984 930 Turbo R.o.W.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Pezho405

Well anyway even with that in mind, what should i ask for it?

With the head stud, I'm down to $40k, tops.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by tdw28210

Were the RoW 930's the exact same motor in terms of specs as the US models or were they a little more "peppy"?

The engines are exactly the same, but there are some differences to the fuel, ignition and exhaust systems that make the RoW versions "peppier" in OEM state:

1) RoW = no catalytic converter

2) RoW K-Jetronic fuel head is non-Lambda assisted, so delivers a better air/fuel ratio versus the lambda fuel head (US emissions requirement) and computer system . . . injector lines are larger diameter (presumably to flow more fuel).

3) No exhaust air injection system on RoW (drive for it is from the left cam - robs a slight bit of power) or other emissions components that add weight and complexity . . . better distributor advance settings on RoW as they did not use ignition timing to get heat into the cat.

- Interesting points about the two fuel heads - the lambda fuel head has been proven to be capable of flowing more fuel than the RoW fuel head after modification to both (even without changing the injector lines) . . . the RoW fuel head is cast steel (lambda is aluminum) and has much bigger problems with corrosion both inside and out and it also has an all steel, primary diaphragm that gets damaged more easily from fuel pressure spikes (dents in the diaphragm).

The RoW Turbos were rated at slightly higher crank HP, primarily due to the absence of the cat, but the Lambda fuel head on US models is actually a better tuning/modification platform.

P.S. for Eric (in case you are wondering if I missed yer hilarious "Liliputin" comment a couple of days ago) =

[copbait73]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

With the head stud, I'm down to $40k, tops.

Gray Market, funky German body interior color combo, no Fuchs, immediate top end repair and reseal, probable tranny syncros, body work and windshield. Probable inaccurate mileage. Needs everything, $30 tops in this very up 930 market.

[Pezho405]

Unlike alot of people It being a grey market euro is much more desirable to me than a US car.

[Pezho405]

And the car is SOLD!! oh man ill miss it now i didnt think it was gonna happend today.

[PushingMyLuck]

Originally Posted by aschen

The color and non sunroof are desirable.

Why is a sunroof a negative ?

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by PushingMyLuck

Why is a sunroof a negative ?

It's only a negative to the 2% of buyers out there that don't like them, but the rarity of the non-sunroof models makes them seem more "special" to some.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

It's only a negative to the 2% of buyers out there that don't like them, but the rarity of the non-sunroof models makes them seem more "special" to some.

I don't like them. They add weight and complexity. They take away headroom.

If I could get rid of mine, I would in a heartbeat.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

I don't like them. They add weight and complexity. They take away headroom.

If I could get rid of mine, I would in a heartbeat.

Well Eric, you don't count seeing as you don't like tails on 911s either!!!

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

Well Eric, you don't count seeing as you don't like tails on 911s either!!!

Only on a 930. Or on an RS. Everyone else should have naked butt.

Oh, and their cars should not have spoilers, nyuk, nyuk.

[speeder]

A sunroof is a bunch of added weight in the worst possible place, up high. Non-sunroof 911s are very desirable to serious enthusiasts as well as people with headroom issues. On even an occasional track car, the extra headroom is helmet room.

[pc100porsche]

What did it actually sell for given the $30k - $65K opinion range ....?

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

Everyone else should have naked butt.

Like this?

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by speeder

. . . Non-sunroof 911s are very desirable to serious enthusiasts . . .

Serious enthusiasts of what? I'm a serious enthusiast of both the 911 and racing (roadraced motorcycles for 10 years, so I know a bit about the effects of weight and weight distribution), and yet, I really like my Turbo's sunroof .

Sweeping BS generalizations, such as yours above, are always good for a chuckle, so thanks!

[Pezho405]

Originally Posted by pc100porsche

What did it actually sell for given the $30k - $65K opinion range ....?

The offers i was getting ranged from 25-40, but mostly around 30-33k

I ended up trading it straight up for something else.

At least now i know itll get that engine rebuild it deserves

[speeder]

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I like sunroofs too. They open up and let the sun in, they're nice. I would never buy or not buy a car simply of a sunroof.

But just because we like them, does not mean that non-sunroof cars are very desirable to serious enthusiasts. If you're not aware of this and think that it's "a sweeping BS generalization", then you're just ignorant about the subject. But you raced MCs and you like your sunroof, so there is that.

Where did you guys over here come from, anyways? Chuckles indeed.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by speeder

But just because we like them, does not mean that non-sunroof cars are very desirable to serious enthusiasts. If you're not aware of this and think that it's "a sweeping BS generalization", then you're just ignorant about the subject.

I'll ask again; "serious enthusiasts" of what, exactly?

Other than the extra tall folks that want to drive/race a 911, the primary reason I've seen given for the non-sunroof appeal is the fact that so few were produced this way (as in 'rare') . . . so if you are saying that they are appealing to people that are seriously enthusiastic about a not-so-common 911 roof option, or people that are enthusiast participants in vintage 911 racing, well I'll give you that, but that is an extremely limited group.

But if you are saying that they are extra desirable to seriously enthusiastic 911 owners in general, well that is indeed a nonsense, BS generalization.

As far as where I came from; spat forth from my mother's womb in 1968.

[ian c2]

1968
I could never imagine being THAT old

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by ian c2

1968
I could never imagine being THAT old

Didn't yer mama teach you to respect yer elders, sonny boy?! Watch out, or I might have to b*tch slap you with my cane!!!

Come to think of it, your car choice, noted in that other thread, is well deserving of a b*tch slap - get ready to duck and cover!

[speeder]

People who are hard core performance types like them because they are lighter. That's all. I think it's kind of insignificant myself.