Ex Magnus Walker car on the Samba

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by cover

Yeah, but I would have thought more bonafied Porsche provanance required in order for the classic Porsche crowd to acknowledge actual added value to a car.
A classic 911 is a different proposition than an Apple gadget after all (I would think)

In my mind, ex Porsche racing drivers, Hollywood racing drivers (Dean, McQueen, Newman) and significant Porsche family members qualify.......
......Not Seinfelds, Lenos and Walkers.

They are well known nice guys and true enthusiasts, but that just does not "make the cut" in my world.

You will actually have to convince the next owner that your "previously owned by some cool Youtube Porsche guy 911" has real value added to it.......or you will have paid way too much for those nice louvers and stuff.

Well put my fellow countryman.

[copbait73]

Ok, since this is a marketplace discussion I'll step out and give my option also.
I look at these pictures and read the ad and I can only feel sorry for the car.
Neither of these guys have done that poor car justice.
I feel Magnus' styling talents would be better applied to Ratrods than Porsches and the current owners newer look strikes me as an early 80s Cadillac. Sad, and to put Magnus' Porsche styling collage on par with Steven Jobs, give me a break.
Before you pin me as a purest I'm not. I've owned Porsches since 1970 and none have stayed visually stock nor had their engines upgraded from the factory parts book. I think the look from either of these two guys makes this car less valuable.

[OceanVista]

The question is...when will the fad of old 911 hot rods be over.

Sooner vs later given the values.

New trend: De-rodding hot rods and putting them back to the way God and Porsche intended.

Singer not included. They are on a totally different level.

[Matt Monson]

I wonder about Ocean's question sometimes. Magnus' '72 sold for six figures last fall. Will the provenance and mods hold value over time or ten years from now will it be seen as a molested car?

And what about all these R Gruppe specials? I think cars built on original oem parts will not really be hit to hard. But some '70 T with glass fenders, duck tail and flares and a 3.0 swap becomes a question mark.

[Photon]

That is an interesting question. Tastes change over time (slantnose anyone?), so I suspect the more visually subtle ones generally will do better over time. Remember the Panorama article on Dario Franchitti's '73 last year? To my eye, that was a beautifully done car, tasteful and subtle, at least so far as the styling. The counterpoise of course is originality and the extent to which that drives value going forward. Still, I love the hot rod idea and think that as long as values don't continue to go crazy, especially for IB cars, there will always be some folks who will make a car how they want it to be, "investment value" be damned. It probably goes without saying that I like Magnus' cars and his attitude towards them. Rock on!

[copbait73]

I think they will go like the 356s, even the driver level outlaws are still expensive cars.

[brother911S]

One must remember- hot rod 911's and "sport purpose" 911's done today is us trying to capture the racing days of the 1960's and 1970's. It is a romance that takes you back in time. I think the outlaw or "sport purpose " 911 will always be around. Chris

[wgwollet]

I agree with Matt.

I seen Magnus at the LA Literature show this year. I walked up to him and started talking, a very nice person, not big headed...I asked to visit his warehouse in LA and he allowed a nice visit with me and my two friends the following day. Learned a lot from talking with him, I too have a green 930, seen his cars and what he does...great guy.

[Tim Hanson]

I think Magnus was personally responsible for the upswing in older 911 values. They were the ugly step child before IMHO. I wouldn't touch them...still might not, can't.

Tim H

[Matt Monson]

That's ridiculous. The early cars were well on their way before Magnus made his Internet movie short.

[MrBonus]

I think the popularity of Magnus and Singer are indicative of the upswing in interest in the early cars, not necessarily the cause of it.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by brother911S

One must remember- hot rod 911's and "sport purpose" 911's done today is us trying to capture the racing days of the 1960's and 1970's. It is a romance that takes you back in time. I think the outlaw or "sport purpose " 911 will always be around. Chris

Good point, Chris, and remember, Porsche always offered a custom option, so if you were well-heeled and patient, you could specify just about anything you wanted in the way of modifications. I've seen a few '73 S models originally ordered with RS flares, for instance.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Tim Hanson

I think Magnus was personally responsible for the upswing in older 911 values. They were the ugly step child before IMHO. I wouldn't touch them...still might not, can't.

Tim H

And I'm responsible for all of the interest in big tits, 'cause I like them.

New to this, huh?

[christiandk]

Good one, Denis!

[Matt Monson]

Good point, Chris, and remember, Porsche always offered a custom option, so if you were well-heeled and patient, you could specify just about anything you wanted in the way of modifications. I've seen a few '73 S models originally ordered with RS flares, for instance.

Penkse's "RS" Targa comes to mind.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by speeder

And I'm responsible for all of the interest in big tits, 'cause I like them.

Now wait just a second, buddy boy, I think I liked them first! But hold on, I think I remember reading that you're a bit older than me, so dayum, you win!

[Tim Hanson]

Speeder, more than a mouthful is a waste! You got to admit, the 73 and previous were seen as ugly for a very long time... There is a raw beauty about them now. Magnus is responsible for bringing out a nice spin on them. I think he had everything to do with Singers popularity too. MTC.

Tim H

[cover]

Originally Posted by Tim Hanson

Speeder, more than a mouthful is a waste! You got to admit, the 73 and previous were seen as ugly for a very long time...

That is a looooong time ago.
And ugly too strong..........perhaps slightly out of fashion.

But they were seriously re-gaining popularity way before Walker and Singer entered the equation.
These American celebrity hot rodders were largely unknown in Europe (and probably in the US as well) until very recently.
And the European market for early 911‘s has been smoking hot for at least a decade.

[Tim Hanson]

Cover, yes, ugly was too strong... I didn't consider the overseas market. How is it going over there? Is it a feeding frenzy to get a nice 911 up to 89 vintage? I imagine it is. Some really great cars we missed out on over here...Renualt R5, some Audi Avant variants, R versions, Ford Focus etc. I love the beauty of the European design... Carrol Shelby introduced us to the Shelby, which was the closest thing to us blue collar types of a super car. Ferraris and such were not in the wheelhouse of cops and firemen. We loved the Baja 500/1000.

Tim H

[cover]

Tim, yes all air cooled 911's and especially sporty versions of the F and G series drive prices through the roof.

Renault R5 and Audi Sport-Quattro are moving into supercar territory.
Basicly the scenario for all homologation specials associated with the legendary and brutal 80s Group B rally cars.

I think some of the Porsches which were bought in US and shipped to Europe are actually going back these days.
US collectors and enthusiasts finally swinging into action it seems :-)