How many hours does this beautiful SC last?

[MrBonus]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/809782-porsche-911-sc-coupe-1982-911sc.html

Love the Mocha exterior. If the wife and I weren't putting in an offer on a new house, I'd seriously consider putting in an offer.

Does anyone know what kind of muffler he has on it?

[NYNick]

I think this is a solid price for a solid car.
Everything about it seems just about right.
Nick

[trader220]

I agree I was just looking at the listing and thinking that appears to be a solid car with reasonable documentation at a fair price. I expect it will sell quickly. The down side is we may see it again at a much higher price at some flippers lot.

Good luck with the sale to the owner.

[wgerow]

Agreed....just looked at the ad myself
Seems to be a very nice example, well presented, no smoke and mirrors
I think the price is a bit strong but not crazy in this market.....not complaining though as the car is very similar in many ways to mine

Not sure how much room there is at that price to make a "flip" out of it....but what do I know....

[Arne2]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

Does anyone know what kind of muffler he has on it?

Looks like a Bursch to me.

[bhmkv]

Wish this was closer to me.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Arne2

Looks like a Bursch to me.

That's what I thought. Best looking muffler for these cars in my opinion. It's a shame they're so damn loud.

[PushingMyLuck]

Originally Posted by wgerow

Agreed....just looked at the ad myself
Seems to be a very nice example, well presented, no smoke and mirrors
I think the price is a bit strong but not crazy in this market.....not complaining though as the car is very similar in many ways to mine
Not sure how much room there is at that price to make a "flip" out of it....but what do I know....

Well said. I refrained from commenting b/c of the aggressive trolling anytime someone says a 911 isn't worth 45k.
This time, I am only agreeing with wgerow, so please direct all complaints to him.

I would not expect this car to sell within "hours".
Also, once a 911 hits 150k miles, the demand drops off significantly.
It is priced fairly, but is not a steal, like several I've posted recently
The car is a great example of a well maintained PCA 911, but for the same ballpark money, you could get a 3.2 with fewer miles.

[BK911]

The ~$17k guards red 78 targa sold in a day.
I would have pounced if I didnt already have a 78 targa.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by BK911

The ~$17k guards red 78 targa sold in a day.
I would have pounced if I didnt already have a 78 targa.

What targa?

[COLB]

Originally Posted by PushingMyLuck

The car is a great example of a well maintained PCA 911, but for the same ballpark money, you could get a 3.2 with fewer miles.

you could, but doubtful in this condition at this price point. And not at all in mocha brown -- if that is the color you want.

This appears to be a very well sorted car.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by PushingMyLuck

I would not expect this car to sell within "hours".
Also, once a 911 hits 150k miles, the demand drops off significantly.
It is priced fairly, but is not a steal, like several I've posted recently
The car is a great example of a well maintained PCA 911, but for the same ballpark money, you could get a 3.2 with fewer miles.

What you still don't grasp is how much value a rare and special color adds. These sorts of browns have been really hot for about a year or so. You are analyzing it like it's any other SC on the market.

You are not the potential buyer for this car. The rare colors with a premiums aren't what you are shopping for (if you are in fact doing that ).

It's not being presented as a steal or a car that someone can flip. It's being posted as a rare and unique car that will not stay on the market long because of that aspect of it. Your mileage comment is more than offset by the excellent history, completeness (like owner's manual and tools) and rare color. 165k mi is just broken in on an SC and the guy looking for this special color won't give a rat's arse that it's over the mythical 150k value cliff.

[BK911]

Originally Posted by christiandk

What targa?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/809726-1978-911sc-targa-16-200-a.html

I know its guards red, but it works well with the black trim. IMHO!

[COLB]

Originally Posted by BK911

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/809726-1978-911sc-targa-16-200-a.html

I know its guards red, but it works well with the black trim. IMHO!

He gone.

[PushingMyLuck]

Matt,
It's interesting that gold color is a negative, while brown is a positive.
What do you think the car would be worth if it were black?

Regardless, the answer to the OP is currently "36 and counting"

[Matt Monson]

Exact same car in gold? $17.5-18k. We don't know if it sold or not. I've been guilty of going a week without updating a thread on something I've sold.

[SilberUrS6]

I like that car. I saw a similar one in Portland, OR with less than 100k miles two years ago for less than $15k.

[blau911]

Brown paint is somewhat rare and perhaps a bit more collectible than the standard black,white and red cars. But color plays a lesser role for me. Condition on a 30 year old car is always more important in the end.
The main issues for me are the potential underside rust which always exists on midwest driven cars. The fact is that this car has been driven in Indiana almost 17 years, which is more than half its life. The seller has posted more than 175 pic's of the car, but only a half dozen were of the underside, and the few pic's provided were dark and of fairly isolated non-critical areas. Putting the car up on a lift with good lighting would go a long way in selling the car.
Also, the lack of motor rebuild at 163,000 miles is an issue. As much as die hard 911SC fans will of course talk about the great reputation of the 3.0SC motors which can go for hundreds of thousands of miles, every 911 motor is subject to wear over time and will eventually need $7-12k in rebuild costs. And this motor has been driven on average 5,000 miles per year since the film "Tootsie" was released. Even if the motor was babied, 163,000 miles is substantial. Essentially the new owner is driving the car on borrowed time and should be budgeting another $7-12k for the not too distant future. As a result of the risk involved, price to me is a few grand high, despite what everyone above has said.

[christiandk]

Whether a car needs an engine rebuild or not really depends on the individual car. Very hard to put a milage number on an engene rebuild.

Personally I disagree with, blau - I dont consider 163k miles substantial for a well maintained SC - and I would but that car in a heartbeat if I had the space, money and time for it.

[PushingMyLuck]

Originally Posted by blau911

Also, the lack of motor rebuild at 163,000 miles is an issue.

I was called an idiot b/c I suggested 911's appear to need rebuilds.
COLB insisted that .02% of 911's ever need a rebuild.
Incidentally, he also stated that a rebuild is far far cheaper than $20k, but declined to give an actual number.

Actually, I might have misread what he said. He actually said that .02% of cars need a $20k rebuild, which he implied was a high-performance racing rebuild. So, I wonder what percent of cars he would say require a "normal" rebuild (whatever that costs), but a rebuild nonetheless, which is probably more frequent


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/807428-recent-changes-craigs-list-auto-trader-2.html#post8028891

Originally Posted by COLB

And even then, many of the people are rebuilding their motors because they want to -- not because they have to.
They are installing performance parts, fixing leaks, and making repairs that are not necessarily mandatory, but as long as the motor is on the ground, they choose to do it.


A $20k rebuild would be a performance build -- the equivalent of building a race motor. Sure people do it, but it is NOT normal. Maybe 1 in hundreds of full bottom end rebuilds would cost that much, and only because the owner chose to do it. And only a small percentage of rebuilds are "full" rebuilds.

Your hypothetical equation is ridiculous because it is doubtful that 1 in 5000 cars might get a $20k engine rebuild in its entire service life.
That's just a stupid assumption, and it makes your whole value equation worthless.
As I said, even if you had extremely bad luck and your engine totally grenades, you can buy a working motor for $5k, and sell your broken core for up to 3k, depending on what broke and what is serviceable.