80 Weissach Edition SC Pricing Guidance

[CBRacerX]

Greetings All,

I've got a good friend who is ready to sell his 1980 Weissach Edition SC. I'm not sure exactly how to price it, so I'd appreciate some feedback. I know the car well and it is not an original paint garage queen but it is solid and..

Well, just read the preliminary advert and then you'll have an idea. Pictures coming next week. Ask any qualifying questions you like. I'll try and get a better parts inventory.

Thanks for your assistance!

"1980 911 Rare Weissach, only 200 made. I'm the second owner, purchased in 1981. Body and paint in good condition, no rust. Good original interior. Matching numbers body/engine/trans. Engine needs to be reassembled. All parts back from German Precision machine shop in CA. Heads rebuilt, pistons & cylinders, cam etc measured. 46mm Webers rebuilt. SSI's, new muffler, gasket sets included - it is all there. Brand new Carrara Rotors and Calipers, brakes. New flywheel and clutch. New electronic ignition. 2 sets of Fuchs 7' and 8" x 15" wheels and 1 set BBS 7"and 9" X 16. Too many other parts to mention. 76,000 miles."

[javadog]

400 made...

That's not going to bring any sort of premium, I don't think. The repaint, motor apart, modifications... all of that will kill any value it has as a Weissach. Anybody that wanted to return it to stock and bring it to a "collectible" condition would probably spend at least $25k.

So, it's now a hot rod, more or less. Maybe $10 to $15k as it sits? Maybe a couple grand for the extra parts, unless he's got a ton of them.

JR

[christiandk]

Weissach 25% more than similar SC running car IF it was running. "Engine not assembled".... what a stinker

[CBRacerX]

Originally Posted by javadog

400 made...

That's not going to bring any sort of premium, I don't think. The repaint, motor apart, modifications... all of that will kill any value it has as a Weissach. Anybody that wanted to return it to stock and bring it to a "collectible" condition would probably spend at least $25k.

So, it's now a hot rod, more or less. Maybe $10 to $15k as it sits? Maybe a couple grand for the extra parts, unless he's got a ton of them.

JR

Yes, the special edition business is more of a BTW here. I don't agree it will take $25k to get to collectible condition unless the most expensive shop in history is used. But it will certainly be worth a lot more back together. This is a very good friend, and I've suggested to him that I should reassemble the engine and get the car in perfect running order to sell. We shall see if he wants to go that route. He still has the CIS so the car can be put back to stock configuration, and Carrara brakes instead of SC brakes seems like a desirable "modification" just like SSI's.

[TheSt|G]

Weissachs were never that special to begin with. A modded one will chase away those who were interested. Engine in pieces coupled with a rough body is hardly a desirable combo either.

I'd be shocked if your friend got more than $15k for it.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by CBRacerX

I don't agree it will take $25k to get to collectible condition unless the most expensive shop in history is used.

You might be surprised. Take the engine... it's basically had a top end and reseal started. Nobody I know would reassemble it and put their name behind it unless they measured everything themselves. At this point do you go ahead and do a full rebuild? Hard call. If you throw the CIS back on, it just runs up the cost even more.

I'd be real surprised if the paint quality was good enough for "collectible". I'd also be surprised if the interior was top shelf, if it needed a paint job this early.

The "adds", like the brakes, are deducts in terms of value. Even more so, if he bolted on used parts for the calipers, or non-Porsche rotors.

Several sets of wheels... any of them perfect, or three sets that could use a refinish?

You can nickel and dime yourself to death getting one of these cars back to "nice".

I dumped over $30k into this 1980 930 and it didn't need a full repaint, didn't need to have the interior redone, didn't need any major engine work, or wheels refinished, or new brakes, etc. It was a complete, stock, running and driving car when I brought it home. And, it had half the miles your friend's car does. It adds up quicker than you think, as almost everybody underestimates all the little pieces they need and what they cost. I did the 930 10 years ago. Prices are higher now...

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by javadog

You might be surprised. Take the engine... it's basically had a top end and reseal started. Nobody I know would reassemble it and put their name behind it unless they measured everything themselves. At this point do you go ahead and do a full rebuild? Hard call. If you throw the CIS back on, it just runs up the cost even more.

I'd be real surprised if the paint quality was good enough for "collectible". I'd also be surprised if the interior was top shelf, if it needed a paint job this early.

The "adds", like the brakes, are deducts in terms of value. Even more so, if he bolted on used parts for the calipers, or non-Porsche rotors.

Several sets of wheels... any of them perfect, or three sets that could use a refinish?

You can nickel and dime yourself to death getting one of these cars back to "nice".

I dumped over $30k into this 1980 930 and it didn't need a full repaint, didn't need to have the interior redone, didn't need any major engine work, or wheels refinished, or new brakes, etc. It was a complete, stock, running and driving car when I brought it home. And, it had half the miles your friend's car does. It adds up quicker than you think, as almost everybody underestimates all the little pieces they need and what they cost. I did the 930 10 years ago. Prices are higher now...

Jebus Christ...dont post pictures like that. I am still poor but one of my biotechs are taking off. If you ever want to sell, the ask a real Porsche guy first

[CBRacerX]

Sorry, I have communicated badly here, let me try again in my own words:

For sale, 1980 911 SC Weissach Edition. 2nd owner since 1981 is Porsche fanatic who has owned many Porsche's from 356B to 997 GT3. Clean Carfax. Car has been repainted in the late 90's to a high standard, original color. Has lived its entire life in a garage. Interior is excellent, leather dash looks perfect. All original body panels, engine and transmission. Original Gold centered Fuchs 15" alloy wheels and a set of period single piece BBS basketweave 16" wheels.

In addition to all the original stock parts, the car has brand new 911 Carrera Calipers, Rotors and Pads. Motor was removed to replace the head studs and was freshened while apart. All machine work complete, heads redone and new Clutch Disk, Pressure Plate, Flywheel and all gaskets etc. are included to reassemble. New electronic ignition and plug wires. SSI Heat Exchangers and new Sport Muffler.

All parts and car can be inspected, and engine will be assembled and broken in before delivery. Buyer can choose to have original CIS or a set of 46IDA3C Weber Carburetors installed .

Great opportunity to own a classic 911 with a freshly rebuilt engine! Act now, before prices go even higher!

Now, lets go with this as the advert. What is a fair selling price now?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Jebus Christ...dont post pictures like that. I am still poor but one of my biotechs are taking off. If you ever want to sell, the ask a real Porsche guy first

Already sold it, to a guy in Germany. I think his wife hassled him and the last I saw it was for sale in Belgium. Go here:

http://911motorsport.be/?page_id=1233

Originally Posted by CBRacerX

Great opportunity to own a classic 911 with a freshly rebuilt engine! Act now, before prices go even higher!

Now, lets go with this as the advert. What is a fair selling price now?

Real hard to say without pictures and an in-person inspection... Is the engine freshly rebuilt, or still apart? Etc.

JR

[CBRacerX]

Originally Posted by javadog

You might be surprised. Take the engine... it's basically had a top end and reseal started. Nobody I know would reassemble it and put their name behind it unless they measured everything themselves. At this point do you go ahead and do a full rebuild? Hard call. If you throw the CIS back on, it just runs up the cost even more.

I'd be real surprised if the paint quality was good enough for "collectible". I'd also be surprised if the interior was top shelf, if it needed a paint job this early.

The "adds", like the brakes, are deducts in terms of value. Even more so, if he bolted on used parts for the calipers, or non-Porsche rotors.

Several sets of wheels... any of them perfect, or three sets that could use a refinish?

You can nickel and dime yourself to death getting one of these cars back to "nice".

I dumped over $30k into this 1980 930 and it didn't need a full repaint, didn't need to have the interior redone, didn't need any major engine work, or wheels refinished, or new brakes, etc. It was a complete, stock, running and driving car when I brought it home. And, it had half the miles your friend's car does. It adds up quicker than you think, as almost everybody underestimates all the little pieces they need and what they cost. I did the 930 10 years ago. Prices are higher now...

All valid points. Engine is completely apart, so all new bearings are included. I've built quite a few Porsche engines myself, and yes I would measure again before reassembling, but German Precision is a pretty good machine shop. It seems like I'll get it back together for him - I enjoy this sort of thing

If the advert says new, they are new. So NEW brake calipers and rotors. Are the rotors German Zimmermans and the calipers Ate OEM? Probably. Nothing wrong with those parts.

I don't think "collector" is the goal, sorry if it came across that way. Lets just call this a typical SC with some nice factory cosmetic bits. And it should be owned and maintained by a DIY type, or someone with deep enough pockets that the shop bills aren't a bother.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by CBRacerX

Sorry, I have communicated badly here, let me try again in my own words:

For sale, 1980 911 SC Weissach Edition. 2nd owner since 1981 is Porsche fanatic who has owned many Porsche's from 356B to 997 GT3. Clean Carfax. Car has been repainted in the late 90's to a high standard, original color. Has lived its entire life in a garage. Interior is excellent, leather dash looks perfect. All original body panels, engine and transmission. Original Gold centered Fuchs 15" alloy wheels and a set of period single piece BBS basketweave 16" wheels.

In addition to all the original stock parts, the car has brand new 911 Carrera Calipers, Rotors and Pads. Motor was removed to replace the head studs and was freshened while apart. All machine work complete, heads redone and new Clutch Disk, Pressure Plate, Flywheel and all gaskets etc. are included to reassemble. New electronic ignition and plug wires. SSI Heat Exchangers and new Sport Muffler.

All parts and car can be inspected, and engine will be assembled and broken in before delivery. Buyer can choose to have original CIS or a set of 46IDA3C Weber Carburetors installed .

Great opportunity to own a classic 911 with a freshly rebuilt engine! Act now, before prices go even higher!

Now, lets go with this as the advert. What is a fair selling price now?

Now we have a salesman!

[Macroni]

$25,000 to $30,000. w/ motor installed and operating.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by javadog

Already sold it, to a guy in Germany. I think his wife hassled him and the last I saw it was for sale in Belgium. Go here:

Porsche 930 Turbo 3.3 (1980) : 911 Motorsport.be



Real hard to say without pictures and an in-person inspection... Is the engine freshly rebuilt, or still apart? Etc.

JR

I will let them chocolate people keep it then.

Your pics were better.

PS. whats up with the front flares...almost wider than the rears!? Looks like it had quite a front impact at some point. Belgian photos also look "funny".

[Canine64]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Jebus Christ...dont post pictures like that. I am still poor but one of my biotechs are taking off. If you ever want to sell, the ask a real Porsche guy first

Sweet baby Jesus that thing is gorgeous.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Your pics were better.

PS. whats up with the front flares...almost wider than the rears!? Looks like it had quite a front impact at some point. Belgian photos also look "funny".

Never was hit on either end. Just the perspective from taking a picture close to the car.

Back on topic, can we get some pictures of the Weissach as it sits now?

JR

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by javadog

Never was hit on either end. Just the perspective from taking a picture close to the car.

Back on topic, can we get some pictures of the Weissach as it sits now?

JR

ok

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by Macroni

$25,000 to $30,000. w/ motor installed and operating.

I would agree with this.

I sold my Weissach for $25k in 2011 or 2012 with fresh paint, leather and motor rebuild. The car was all stock with the exception of a gutted cat. If you want to sell a car with a motor that is in pieces, expect at least $5k-$7k off the sales price. If the paint or interior needs work, subtract more $$$.

[COLB]

Echoing all the comments here, your friend would be God's own fool to sell this car with the engine apart -- particularly given all the machine work has been done, and the parts are on hand to reassemble it.

I would vote to return the CIS, and sell the Webers separately, along with the BBS wheels -- almost no one interested in a Weissach is going to want to swap the original wheels for gold mesh BBS, so they are extraneous to the deal, and remarkably, some people will pay real money for them.

If your friend is hard set on the money now -- even at huge discount for its current state, you could offer him about what he would get on the market at "friend" prices, then do the work yourself, and sell it on for a well earned profit.

Or maybe you decide to keep it.

[speeder]

Mr. javadog has something that all the money in the world can't buy...fantastic taste.

[CBRacerX]

Thanks All - I've got the engine in my garage being assembled and will eventually offer the car for sale complete.