Over valued

[msort81]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/823628-1987-911-carrera-sunroof-coupe-numerous-pca-concours-awards.html

I find this incredible. Almost 60k miles so the car is right around or close to possibly needing valve guides / Top end. It has non original pattern Fuchs, and a minor place in 'street class' concours, but yet the ask is near as dammit $55,000.

I know asking isn't getting and I expect the usual stream of valve guide naysayers, but those people aside this is ridiculous for a stock 87 G50 coupe.

[christiandk]

Well even though I am a "valve guide naysayer" (funny) I totally agree with you on this one.

Fuchs check out though....but I dont like the "buffin'" - more of a Rockwall hood thing. Ronnies 930 with Polished wheels and Ronnie without his tight leather pants would be like harry melvin without bluenotes - that'll never go Platinum......

[sm70911]

Its a stock diamond blue 87 coupe with 60k miles on it. The third place Concours and being in the RR IV parade are nice things, but realistically add zero value.
It looks well taken care and I would assume the owner doesn't really want to sell the car.

I have had valve guide issues at 77k miles on a Carrera so I'd be wary. At $55K I'd want to know the car had been fully re built, had complete history and had a lot of maintenance & new parts to replace seals / bushings

[COLB]

Almost 60k miles so the car is right around or close to possibly needing valve guides / Top end.

If it had 40k miles, would the top end be a concern? I've never seen 60k miles as a "magic number" on valve guide wear. If it is a concours-level car -- though I wonder what that means with those polished wheels -- then the fact it burns a quart every 500 miles is pretty much irrelevant. It will get trailer-ed more than driven.

It has non original pattern Fuchs

They may be original Fuchs that are polished. Not a great look, IMO. But they may be original to the car.

Yeah -- it is too much money. But the valve guides and mileage have nothing to do with it.

[comintern]

3 years ago I was shocked at a 89 anniversary selling for $45k 2 weeks after being posted. Two years ago I was shocked at a 964 S2 flogged for $100k... No longer.

$50k for a clean g50 something or other,.. I wouldn't pay it but I wouldn't poo poo it either.

comintern

[Matt Monson]

What Colb said. At this age the valve guides have little to do with mileage. Either they are crap or not. My car is about to clear 100k and no signs of issues. Burns less than a quart per 1000 miles. I consider that acceptable.

Would I pay $55k for that car? Hell no. But someone might. My first offer wouldn't be over $40k.

[msort81]

Originally Posted by COLB

If it had 40k miles, would the top end be a concern? I've never seen 60k miles as a "magic number" on valve guide wear. If it is a concours-level car -- though I wonder what that means with those polished wheels -- then the fact it burns a quart every 500 miles is pretty much irrelevant. It will get trailer-ed more than driven.

They may be original Fuchs that are polished. Not a great look, IMO. But they may be original to the car.

Yeah -- it is too much money. But the valve guides and mileage have nothing to do with it.

A third in street class and invite to a parade at RRIV don't constitute a concours car. Whether its trailered or not for, $55,000 I would expect everything to work, and not to have any major mechanical issues looming on the horizon. So for someone like me or hopefully an informed buyer Valve guides have everything to do with it.

In spite of this market the days of 60k miles 3.2 cars being worth close to $70,000 are a long way off.

I didn't say the Fuchs were not original to the car but in terms of 'concours judging' as I understand it lack of originality is everything. If you really want to trailer it around then factor in sending those to Wiedmans.

As it sits the car is not a proper concours contender, and unless its been rebuilt nor is it a good buy. Period

[Nachtfalter]

Polished alloys don't even look good on a vw bug.

But, I am a firm believer that you don't pay too much for an air cooled 911, you simply buy too soon.

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by Nachtfalter

Polished alloys don't even look good on a vw bug.

But, I am a firm believer that you don't pay too much for an air cooled 911, you simply buy too soon.

...or too late!

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

What Colb said. At this age the valve guides have little to do with mileage. Either they are crap or not. My car is about to clear 100k and no signs of issues. Burns less than a quart per 1000 miles. I consider that acceptable.

Would I pay $55k for that car? Hell no. But someone might. My first offer wouldn't be over $40k.

Are you looking for one ?

If not, then you and others like you,myself included, are not in the market.

What we would pay is not relevant at this time.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by pmax

Are you looking for one ?

If not, then you and others like you,myself included, are not in the market.

What we would pay is not relevant at this time.

This is the marketplace discussion forum. Of course it's relevant.

[euro1984]

Originally Posted by msort81

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/823628-1987-911-carrera-sunroof-coupe-numerous-pca-concours-awards.html

I find this incredible. Almost 60k miles so the car is right around or close to possibly needing valve guides / Top end. It has non original pattern Fuchs, and a minor place in 'street class' concours, but yet the ask is near as dammit $55,000.

I know asking isn't getting and I expect the usual stream of valve guide naysayers, but those people aside this is ridiculous for a stock 87 G50 coupe.

If the valves are good after 27 years then they are good. Your statement about valves at 60k is alarmist and makes no sense. A car can be great at this mileage and age without being rebuilt. Good regular maintenance is whats important.

IHMO car is in a great color and worth 45k. 55K ask is not out of bounds. If you were a real buyer looking for a low mile blue coupe to keep I am not sure if you can find one that easily anymore. Similar one at Sloan is over 70k.

[sm70911]

Originally Posted by euro1984

If the valves are good after 27 years then they are good. Your statement about valves at 60k is alarmist and makes no sense. A car can be great at this mileage and age without being rebuilt. Good regular maintenance is whats important.

IHMO car is in a great color and worth 45k. 55K ask is not out of bounds. If you were a real buyer looking for a low mile blue coupe to keep I am not sure if you can find one that easily anymore. Similar one at Sloan is over 70k.

What are you talking about ? If valve guides are good after 27 years, then they are good ?. Don't talk piffle. As for being the PO being an alarmist I'd say he is being a realist you in the other hand sound like a used car salesman.

Why not settle it statistically let's do a oil consumption / valve guide poll on tech, R/ list DDK and Impact bumpers and see whose right ...

Sloan purveys overpriced cars, I've been there and see his stock. The reality is far from what its cracked up to be.

Reality here is that Third class in Street does not a concours car make. It's listed accolades are not something that makes it worth near the ask. Maybe mid 30's car... Me personally I'd never buy another 3.2 that hasn't had the VG / TE addressed and I bought a sub 77k mile cared for example which is well documented on this board.

[euro1984]

Originally Posted by sm70911

What are you talking about ? If valve guides are good after 27 years, then they are good ?. Don't talk piffle. As for being the PO being an alarmist I'd say he is being a realist you in the other hand sound like a used car salesman.

Why not settle it statistically let's do a oil consumption / valve guide poll on tech, R/ list DDK and Impact bumpers and see whose right ...

Sloan purveys overpriced cars, I've been there and see his stock. The reality is far from what its cracked up to be.

Reality here is that Third class in Street does not a concours car make. It's listed accolades are not something that makes it worth near the ask. Maybe mid 30's car... Me personally I'd never buy another 3.2 that hasn't had the VG / TE addressed and I bought a sub 77k mile cared for example which is well documented on this board.

Yeah whatever they all need valve guides......... and the 3.2's running around with no valves done at 200k aren't real............ so I guess you sound like someone selling Porsche valve jobs IMHO. Fact is on the majority of cars this old if the valves are good they will probably stay that way.

Car is an easy 40k car. Maybe not to you but to plenty of buyers.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by euro1984

If the valves are good after 27 years then they are good. Your statement about valves at 60k is alarmist and makes no sense. A car can be great at this mileage and age without being rebuilt. Good regular maintenance is whats important.

IHMO car is in a great color and worth 45k. 55K ask is not out of bounds. If you were a real buyer looking for a low mile blue coupe to keep I am not sure if you can find one that easily anymore. Similar one at Sloan is over 70k.

My understanding of the valve guide issue is the same as yours: they can fail as early as 50-60K miles or last virtually forever. I was always told there was a bad batch of guides put into the 3.2 engines... I've been lucky to never have the issue -- after owning four 3.2 Carreras.

[Matt Monson]

Pmax,
Maybe you should petition Wayne to change this to the potential buyers forum. Then you and PML could chat all day. Oh wait, PML is no longer in the market.

I've owned two 100k mi 3.2s. No valve guide issues in my history either.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Pmax,
Maybe you should petition Wayne to change this to the potential buyers forum. Then you and PML could chat all day. Oh wait, PML is no longer in the market.

I've owned two 100k mi 3.2s. No valve guide issues in my history either.

I'm not in the market for an 87 Carrera ... already have one.

I don't think you can summarily judge the $55K price as over valued at this point.
How would you know given you are not even interested in buying one now ?

Wasn't one sold for $65k just recently ?

[NYNick]

It's an 87 coupe priced at $55,000.
Blah blah blah.
It's overpriced.

What did Paul Simon say? "One man's ceiling is another man's floor."

[Matt Monson]

You're right. I live in a cave only coming out to gather herbs and kill the occasional rabibit. I'm completely oblivious to what is going on in the market around me.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You're right. I live in a cave only coming out to gather herbs and kill the occasional rabibit. I'm completely oblivious to what is going on in the market around me.

It's simple.

Try buying one now.

Oh wait, you are not.