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techweenie 01-13-2015 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 8437566)
Car has late flares on it with SWB control arms is my guess.

That's what it looks like to me as well. It was a typical mistake made by uninformed shops & amateur customizers - take the new parts; align the torsion bar holes and weld away. With luck, those are fiberglass rear flares.

As a data point, I recently helped a friend sell a 65 912 - completely apart, but painted - for $24,500. It took 8 months to sell.

dos531 01-13-2015 09:37 AM

I got under the fender to look at the flares and I can see where they're attached. It's actually not that far up. Though honestly I like the look of the flares it just needs the wheels to be spaced out to match. I think with the stock bumpers and decklid it would look pretty cool with the flares.

mickey356 01-13-2015 10:21 AM

I hope you decide to keep it. I'd put the original deck lid back on it, get some wider wheels (that will take some figuring with width, backspacing, etc...), maybe even consider a very slight flare for the front fender as well. Keep the VW (rebuilt, or new HP), redo the interior to your liking, new suspension, and enjoy the car for a few years.
Don't let the nay sayers discourage you! :)

There was a car very similar to yours on ebay last year, I think it was white with tan interior, VW engine, etc...that was otherwise restored very nicely, that went for something in the high $20k's. Just sayin.....

dos531 01-13-2015 10:34 AM

I think I am going to keep it, at least for now. I'll go ahead and replace the front suspension pan, and the drivers side floor since I found some rust there. Been wanting to learn how to do that and I have all the tools so it seems like a good opportunity. The front end will need to be repainted, but I'm pretty sure I can bring back the rest of the paint with some polishing. I will probably put in another VW engine simply due to cost/hp ratio. It's hard to stomach the cost for a 912 engine when you look at the other options. Something around 100-110 horsepower which would move this car pretty well at ~2000lbs and should be available for not a lot of money. Though if I see a deal on a 2.7 that would be hard to pass up. Yesterday I vacuumed it out real well and killed a few black widows that were living in the frunk. The original jack is still there, though the rest of the tools are long gone. I see a lot of potential the more I look at it. The car certainly isn't going down in value, so sitting on it for a little while wont cost me anything.

Matt Monson 01-13-2015 10:46 AM

Do you know what VW engine is in there? The type IV, as used in the 914 and 912E is a good fit and with 912E tin and engine mount bolts right up and makes the correct seal for cooling.

I've contemplated building one of my type IV cores and throwing it in my '67 912 for a few years.

You will want to think about that rear end a bit. I suspect to fit those flares you will need to get later control arms. To me, that kills the point of owning a SWB Porsche. SWB cars drive differently. It is distinctively vintage porsche and would be a shame to lose that, IMO.

dos531 01-13-2015 11:09 AM

It looks like the car has a dual port type 1 in there right now. There is no distributor or carb on there and it has been sitting open in the elements so i'm pretty certain it is scrap at this point. As for the flares, would it cause problems to just throw on some hubcentric spacers to fill out the flares? Seems to work ok on my 930, but thats a different car.

Matt Monson 01-13-2015 11:30 AM

The problem is that the short control arms have the wheels too far forward for the flares. If my assumption is correct the wheels aren't centered in the arch and no spacer will fix that for you.

Sounds like you should look for a type IV and the 912E stuff to put it in there. Won't require any welding or cutting and will look pretty dang stock. Jake Raby even offers a 911 fan conversion for the type IV, so you can make it look more 911ish if you want.

dos531 01-13-2015 12:12 PM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...1d80aa8ebc.jpg
Looks fairly centered, am I missing something?

mickey356 01-13-2015 12:40 PM

Jake makes an incredible product, but it's pricey, not to imply not worth the price, but if you go that route be prepared. I think he has a 912E with one of his Type IVs in it that is BAD ASS..I hear. Matt makes a good point on the proper cooling tins, etc... Not terribly difficult to fab if you're slightly handy. I encourage the Type I. Pat Downs built me one for a Speedster replica I had and it was really nice (130+ hp) and reasonably priced.
Look into ALL your wheel options, Fuchs, Empi, Aftermarket Fuchs like Rota Fox, etc... I'm sure you can find something that will fit in there/fill out, and look period correct.
The metal work on the floor etc... will pay off in the long run if you do it correctly.
Something to consider, if you're anything like me, the long hoods are getting harder and harder to come by. The affordable ones have already been altered in most cases so doing anything further won't really hurt the value of your car, assuming you're not doing anything drastic. Bottom line... there will always be a "better" 912 out there and there will always be something less than what you have. Don't be afraid to do what YOU want to the car. You don't have a museum piece. Some guy is getting his 57 Speedster picked apart on another thread because t's been converted to 12v, mirrors, etc... and it's a STUNNING car! But it's 60 years old and it's been altered so it's not a "perfect" specimen, and it won't ever be one, neither will your 912. Love it for what it is, and can be.

techweenie 01-13-2015 01:49 PM

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Looks fairly centered, am I missing something?
Looks fine from that angle. Where's the torsion bar cover?

dos531 01-13-2015 02:21 PM

It appears the torsion bar covers were filled in...
Also the fenders are steel not fiberglass as I first thought. Decided to take the polisher to the roof and see what I could do. Turned out pretty good.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15...fbfbb03508.jpg

TPorsche912 01-13-2015 02:52 PM

Too bad you can't find a 930 nearby and make a quick cardboard template of those flares and then hold it up to the 912. That might tell you the origins of the steel flares on the 912. In your new picture, it actually looks like the flares were put on the quarters too low. The curvature where the flare meets the rocker certainly isn't right. And there seems to be way too much of the tire covered at the top.
Glad you've made the decision to "have it your way". Could be a really sweet ride and really expensive to try to make it all original. Used part prices have certainly followed the price of complete cars, and they are getting harder and more expensive to put your hands on.

CountD 01-13-2015 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 8437628)
As a data point, I recently helped a friend sell a 65 912 - completely apart, but painted - for $24,500. It took 8 months to sell.

There you go, it takes time to sell something even if it's more complete.

Continue to buff it, clay it, and sand it and if it comes out as good as your photo of the roof - keep it the way it is. Roll with it.

dos531 01-14-2015 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TPorsche912 (Post 8438187)
Too bad you can't find a 930 nearby and make a quick cardboard template of those flares and then hold it up to the 912. That might tell you the origins of the steel flares on the 912. In your new picture, it actually looks like the flares were put on the quarters too low. The curvature where the flare meets the rocker certainly isn't right. And there seems to be way too much of the tire covered at the top.
Glad you've made the decision to "have it your way". Could be a really sweet ride and really expensive to try to make it all original. Used part prices have certainly followed the price of complete cars, and they are getting harder and more expensive to put your hands on.

Yeah that's my 930 in the background. I can tell without measuring that the flares on the 912 are much smaller than the 930. The car seems to be sitting very low, as well as having tiny tires on it so I think that contributes to the strange look in the rear. It definitely needs to be raised a couple inches in the rear to begin to look normal.

Milesaway 01-14-2015 11:46 AM

This is what people were worried about but yours looks ok unlike this poor unfortunate soul :eek:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1421264763.jpg

ficke 01-14-2015 12:24 PM

Those wheels might not be too shy of what some people thought the whole car is worth, they are deep something or other with hearts, if 4.5's, they are in the 4-5k range for the set as they are.
I vote for a hot 912E and no flares for a real fun vintage ride. It would really complement the 930. You would have "bookends" of the 930/911/912 world.

Matt Monson 01-14-2015 12:33 PM

The wheels do look like they are at the proper location. Though I've got $5 that says they are replicas.

ficke 01-14-2015 12:42 PM

Matt, Out of curiosity, what makes you thank they are fakes?

dos531 01-14-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 8439586)
The wheels do look like they are at the proper location. Though I've got $5 that says they are replicas.

That's what I thought too so I just pulled one off. They appear to be genuine 15x6. Part # on the back is 901.361.012.06

Matt Monson 01-14-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ficke (Post 8439600)
Matt, Out of curiosity, what makes you thank they are fakes?

Just that they are silver and on a 912. No visual tell that I was looking at. Just didn't think a project like this car would have been equipped with the real deal.

Appears I was wrong. :D


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