Rust Free! ...Ahem
 

I have noticed a lot of adds as of late saying "Rust free" !
AHEM!
I think a lot of you People proclaiming this maybe victims of the states you live in like In, Mi, NY, PA , OH, Vt, etc.
The salted roads in these states eat cars alive and perhaps these people have become acclimated with the disease ?
Let me EXPLAIN FOLKS !
Pay Atn.
"Rust free" will NOT show paint flaking off,with huge rust patches blatantly starring glaring back at ya!.
YIPES -:eek:
Rust free or near rust free will not have water stain rust marks seeping out from behind trim, or have holes in batt area.
It will not have orange rusty stains oozing out from rubber trim parts .
Rust holes in exhaust is not rust free.
Rust free will NOT have Suspension parts that look like they have been dipped in the ocean and lived with the Titanic !
Rust free is just that.
Rust free is rubbing your fingers under anything anywhere and not coming up with flakes of crap!
Some of what you folks claim rust free is ...just not true.
Now most these cars are old, some rust is expected, but "rust sick" is not rust free.
If you have a car that has EVER been driven on a salted road, it is NOT rust free.

Very true. And further, if your car have ever been driven near the ocean, it is not rust free either.

Not even if you hose down the undercarriage every time you get home? Asking as a future owner with no intention of locking the car up for the winter.

No such thing around here.

If you drive in salt there is no vaccine to stop the disease of rust.
Rinsing it off will help some, but now you have got the rust disease . It gets in under around everything and chloride is a slow death to steel.
Galvanized (zink) body panels will help a lot. However in all cases not all parts are not treated.
Its a slow death zink is sacrificial .

Geez, my cars must be disintegrating before my very eyes, and I never even noticed!

Depends upon model...... Pre-77 be concerned/ skeptical..... post-77 odd areas need to be reviewed such as window channels.... otherwise SC forward you can find rust free......

Are you acclimated to the rust ?
I spent 40 years on the west coast (not bragging just follow along here )
I move back here my nephew tells me he buys near "rust free " cars..
He has a yard full of old cars
They are JUNK !!
Rusty , pusy, orange color oozing crap.
Holes, stains, holes amd more flakes then paint
Yet he tells me"near rust free" !
He has been assimilated
So maybe you have been assimilated?
No insult..just asking.

Yeah right. I'm some kind of mutant East Coast Borg who has assimilated to tolerate a small amount of rust here and there. ACK ACK!!

Look, they're 30 or 40 year old German cars. How do you think they got here in the first place? Massive parachute drops? Uh no, they crossed a salt water ocean. So there goes that theory. Then there's the salt on the roads. How many states DON'T use salt? How many aren't near salt water, or have coastlines?

Add to that fact that after 40 years, what's the likelihood the car(s) in question were never driven on any coast? So you see, the population gets very, very small. You get my point.

But I get yours as well. It's an overused and abused term, like Hot Rod, Outlaw, Investment Grade and the like. Your nephew is just following the trend. It's all marketing BS.

I invite you to come take a look at my 37 year old, East Coast all it's life, 78. It's rust free.

Ah C'mon Nick, you know these guys are 'fully sorted' and if they say your car has rust, it has rust! You must have fleetingly thought of an ocean breeze while holding your car keys in your hand. Instant Orange!

Whilest this thread went off track...blah blah blah
You may have a rust free car,,,,,IDK, and IDC and good for you.!
But my point to the validity of post with picks of superposed rust free cars is and could be a joke thread.
That is my point.
Fwd YO ! to the Calvary .

If a Northerner discovers that he has "orange color oozing crap" issuing forth from various orifices, do you guys think it is due to road-salt exposure?!?!?!

And the crowd roars YES !

fiat invented rust and licensed it to karman

karman built the vw-porsche 914 you are hunting for
914's all rust

btw rust is alive and hard to kill
that is why desert cars donot rust
nothing grows in a desert inc rust
but take a car out of a desert area
and they quickly rust

Rust isn't alive. It's an oxide. Product of a chemical reaction.
Specifically, it's an oxide "created by the redox reaction of iron and oxygen in the presence of water or air moisture. "

( or maybe the reaction to someone holding a set of Porsche car keys while thinking of the ocean, but this hasn't been scientifically proven )

What's in a desert? not a lotta air moisture. Gotta have all the ingredients or you won't get cake.



Here, read up on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust

Chloride is the answer to the question like I said B4.
It will eat through steel pretty EZ

Unless the car is on the moon I am pretty sure we have most the ingredients here to help catapult or catalyze the disaster.
Salted roads are quite perfect .

glad you have ALL the answers.

On point here-
Selling a car labled "Rust free" ! This obviously means different things to different folks (no matter how the rust is-was generated.)
I know for sure, the rust should be hard to find, not glaring at me!

They probably don't mean to imply that the car is free from any rust, but rather that all of the rust that is present is provided free of charge.

I'm a desert snob (so to speak). If I even see a little discoloration on some of the zinc surfaces, I'm not interested. My daily driver with nearly 200,000 miles is a dream to work on when it comes to removing fasteners. You get spoiled.

My '84 Carrera spent its whole in SoCal and the southwest. When I went to remove the (original) nuts and bolts on the catalytic converter to install a pre muffler, not only did all the fasteners come off with just hand tools, they were in such good shape I reused all of them.

rust grows
it looks very like a bacteria growth in a petri dish
there something alive in the rust reaction chain
yes the result is iron-oxide
but there a bio-process going on
that is why if you paint over rust without removing all of it
it reappears

http://news.discovery.com/history/titanic-bacteria-rust-wreck.htm
Named Halomonas titanicae, the bacterium was isolated from samples of so-called rusticles present on the wreck.

It isn't alive in any way. It's a chemical reaction, very similar to fire. Fire is not alive.

This is correct. Oxidation seems alive, because of how it spreads, but just like fire is very fast oxidation that can "grow" as long as the three elements are there, rust is a slow oxidation that can "grow" as long as the three elements are there. The three elements are: thing to be oxidized, the thing doing the oxidation, and sufficient energy to keep the reaction going forward.

no if you let a sheet of iron sit out in the rain
you got iron O2 and water all over it
the rust will not be even all over it
but will be in clumps that grow as a mass
the titanic link lists 27 bacteria found in the rust
that is why the rust clumps bio-activity caused chemisty
not just water+O2 on iron

rust is a life induced result

I have seen "iron sick" keels in sail boats. looks like they have a disease !

You can claim it as much as you like, but it's not true. It is a purely chemical reaction, and does not require a living organism. There is zero scientific evidence for your claim, and the process is so well-understood that even the biggest of skeptics will raise an eyebrow at your contention.

I am a desert snob, People in AZ. look at So CAl cars as better than back East but still from a rusty area, usually the Chrome has that salt air pitting and has to be redone because of the harsh environment next to the ocean, where most Porsche's are in California.
California cars are usually considered rusty to people from Arizona, despite what California owners and sellers say.
So yeah "rusty" means different things to different people.

Science is magic to you isn't it?

The next invasion won't be from aliens from other planets. It'll be Rust Monsters From Used Cars.

did you read the titanic link ?

science is use of updated facts to understand why things happen

if rust is simply O2+H2O+Fe
why does it GROW in clumps
why if you paint over rust does it bubble up

there is something happening
and you don't know what it is do you mr jones

point being rust never sleeps

I sure did. It does not, in any way, support your claim.

Sorry.

Eric, when did you start reading?!?! I though you only looked at porn in your spare time (like I do)!!!!

Seriously.

In between the porn, I like to have some down time, you know...

Earlier I compared rust with fire. that's incorrect. It's really more like ash than fire.

The process is exactly the same. It's merely the speed at which it occurs.

But... but... but... aw gee whillickers

fire creates heat that speeds the combustion reaction

ash does not create more ash
but rust creates more rust , WHY?

rust is a local reaction catalyzed by something at the reaction location
I think there is bio-active something going on

Biogenic Magnetite Formation through Anaerobic Biooxidation of Fe(II)

Project – Super specialized Bio-active surfaces - Projects - Danish Technological Institute

https://www.biooekonomie-bw.de/en/articles/news/mineral-forming-bacteria-of-great-usage-value/
quote from link
"In an iron- and silicate-containing solution, green sulphur bacteria, purple sulphur bacteria and purple non-sulphur bacteria are able to oxidise iron (II) to iron (III) compounds at 20˚ C. One representative of these bacteria, Rhodobacter ferrooxidans, was not discovered until 1993 and it was several more years before further papers were published on this bacterial species. In Tübingen, the bacterium has become a kind of pet project for Kappler's team of researchers. The findings obtained with R. ferrooxidans are a geobiological and geomineral breakthrough, and are so important that they will be included in fundamental science books. "The results open up a completely new understanding of early earth development and the ‘evolution' of atmosphere and hydrosphere," said Kappler.

That's definitely NOT the rust that's happening on cars. For one thing, the bacterial oxidation you are quoting only occurs in ANAEROBIC conditions. Our atmosphere is not anaerobic.

But hey, go ahead, think what you like. You will anyway.

some does or did long ago
but
not all

and the O as in oxidation
needs to be there
so truly anaerobic NO

point is bugs cause rust is a fact
not something I came up with
helps to know what you are fighting
if you want to win