Another Widebody Value Thread
 

As some of you know I just bought this car from another Pelican member who is helping a collector liquidate his collection. I'm not trying to flip the car, really just hoping to get my money back out of the car.

1982 ROW Coupe with widebody conversion and rebuilt drivetrain.

Original FS ad here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/878674-fs-1982-911-row-sc-wide-body-fresh-engine-rebuild.html

I haven't owned a Porsche in over 8 years, and in the last 12 months I feel like i'm going through cars like underwear trying to figure out what I want to settle down with for the long haul.

I sold my 964 coupe to buy this car and planned on making this one my keeper. However......I was very fortunate to stumble across a low mileage original condition 964 C2 Coupe about an hour from my house for a great buy. Although this SC is a hoot to drive, and faster than the 964, the 964 just does everything so well. It is soooooo smooth! I quite honestly didn't realize how good the 964 was until I got back into a G-series car. Not that a G-series is bad, but what a difference between the two!

That said, one has to go and I can't bring myself to let go of such a low mileage original 964 C2 coupe.............

So, the big question. Can I get $35k back out of this car this time of year?

Car has $38k in receipts for mechanical work / maintenance. Rebuilt engine, intake, exhaust, transmission refresh, fresh valve adjust, etc. Does not include the cost of the conversion which was done before previous owner bought the car.

Some videos after replacing the tiny 1.485" O.D. headers with 1.625" George's European Headers:

https://youtu.be/7puvzLxBuM4

https://youtu.be/ryt_Lx9vQxY

https://youtu.be/tZxRq53vQC4

Seems like a nice hotrod. Engine and exhaust mods will cut out any California or smog states as potential buyers.... which won't help. 35K won't be easy. Bone stock clean SC would pull that but yours is probably a high 20's car and it probably won't be easy.
The other one may need to go unless you can afford a hit on this one financially.

For what it's worth, I like it minus the turbo badge.

Gorgeous car. I don't believe a car of that quality is hurt by the mods, you just wont get the money back out.

I would estimate mid $25-30k for this time period...

I also agree with dumping the turbo script... a nice "911" would look good there or go bare...

MattR

Nice looker - but no heat or AC? Tough sale for many locations IMO.

Thanks guys. I'll stick the car in storage untill spring if I have to. It really is a great car with no expense spared. Wish I could keep both as they serve very different purposes in the stable. "Do I want to thrash around town and make a bunch of noise and wreak havoc on unsuspecting town folk or do I want to cruise around in subtle comfort?" Those are the options I could have if I kept both ;)

That said, I'm not looking for a quick sale where I will lose my a$$ on the car. I figure there must be some guys out there who want a hot rod widebody and may have interest.

This all begs the question. What can you expect to get back out of a hot rod build like this?

Driver level SC = $20k
Body conversion = $15k minimum
Mechanicals, seats, electronics = $38k

This car is $73k minimum to replicate. $35k is less than 50% (of someone's investment)

you won't get your money out of the widebody.

The season does not make a 30 grand car into a 35 grand car. The season may provide a more liquid market but it does not add 5 grand to the price of a car. I can move a car anywhere in the lower 48 for about 700 bucks or less and have it there in a week. The ability to move cars cheaply and quickly smooths out the seasonal curve.

IMO... I think you'll get the $35k out of the car. Might not be over night but I think it will happen. As others have mentioned.... CA buyers are out because of the smog issues. Also HVAC narrows the market even further. AC is not a top priority for me but no heat makes it a tough sale for me.

Just my 2 cents.... I really like the car. GLWS

Nice car as others have said, but no HVAC kills it for many people.

First you do need to lose that Turbo badge.

Second, who ever did the front seats used some cheese-ball kit.

Other than that, I would detail the **** out of it and start high (even above your number) as you can always come down. You'll get the money. Everything sells.

Thanks for the input guys. I agree that the buying pool is significantly smaller, but the car is a great value at $35k for someone who wants a widebody hotrod to blast around in without spending the $70k to build one (of this caliber) themselves. Hell, the engine and transmission by the time you add parts, carbs, exhaust, labor, etc. have well over $30k in receipts. Someone is buying the upgrades and getting the car for free....... That's my biased view anyway ;)

I understand the heat thing, but that is easy to fix with a set of heat exchangers if the buyer really needed it. I'm in Maine and drove the car this past weekend and wasn't uncomfortable.

As for seats, I have a receipt from previous owner for $2,200 for the sport bolster upgrade and new leather. GTS Classics? I've never heard of them. It looks better in person and the leather is pretty nice. Probably not up to the quality of Autos International, but decent for a nice driver. I hear what you are saying though.

My long term plan was to lose the Turbo stuff, go duck tail, and eventually back date! Maybe I'll keep the car and set up a go-fund-me page so that all you wealthy guys can take pride in supporting my habit :)

You may find it simple, but majority of buyers wouldn't bother with the extra hassle when there are other 911s to choose from with heat. I personally wouldn't bother, nor would the general consensus here it sounds like, unless if there was a corresponding discount in the price.

White wide bodied cars are my favorite. Sell the other car, it will be much easier.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448565849.jpg

Yeah. Unless there was someone out there looking to do these EXACT mods. The market for this car is pretty small.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448600441.jpg
Here's my 68S IROC widebody . The conversion was done in 73. It has real RSR 9&11s. The owner raced it for fun at tracks in Riverside,Ontario and Laguna Seca in 74.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448600551.jpg
It sat for 20 yrs.We just spent 6 months to get it in driver condition. We plan to repaint to original color Irish green but keep widebody due to provenance .
It is NOT FOR SALE.
I guess its value should be 125k $

Update: Car sold in less than a week. Had a TON of interest from both eBay and Craigslist. Buying pool may have been small........but even a small buying pool in the air cooled market is big..........

Market may be flooded with guys wanting to buy original condition garage queens for investment purposes, but there are still plenty of us who want to use our cars and want the best bang for buck. This one obviously fit the bill for more than a few guys who were fighting over the car.

Sad to see it go. Was really excited about it, and just got it back from the shop with new headers, valve adjustment, and carb tuning. I didn't even get to enjoy it. That said, the 964 C2 that is forcing the sale should bring plenty of joy to me. Only 72,000 miles with a factory remanufactured engine installed 5,000 miles ago due to "excessive oil leaks" per the Porsche dealer work order.

Thats it.......no more looking at classifieds for me! I'm too compulsive to allow myself to look.

I've always just loved the look of the Ruf wheels. Too bad they're such boat anchors. Still, I want a set of 7s and 9s. Heavy, but so cool.

Eric, adding heavier components is the perfect excuse to add more powaaaa in kind (not that an excuse is ever needed for that)!

I never knew the RUF wheels were heavier.... always liked the way they look.

To the OP, congratulations on your sale.

Congratulations on the sale! What was the final selling price?

As for the RUFs above, I had a set. Loved the look but they were so dang heavy I couldn't stand them and sold them within a month... Guess my car was just slow though.

The more power the car has the less noticeable the weight of the Ruf wheels is. I've used them on my turbo and 3.6 cars. They are the smoothest (straightest?!) riding wheels of all the wheels I've used on my 911s.

After saying that... I may be selling my set of 8&9x17 Ruf Speedline Classics in the near future.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448893044.jpg

Yeah, like crazy heavy, in comparison to Fuchs. My 9x16 Fuchs are somewhere near 18lbs/wheel. 9x17 Ruf wheels are somewhere north of 23lbs, IIRC.

expecting 17 inch rims to weigh as much as 16 inch rims?

Black widebodies are my favorite.
Oooh lookie, a "Special-Wishes" 964 turbo-look coupe on eBay !
:eek:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448961153.jpg

Where did you get this idea?

I made it up.

Lol..

MattR

You did. Because not one time did I ever say I expected them to weigh the same thing. Making a comparison is not the same as having an expectation. I shouldn't have to explain this to an adult, but I guess these are the times we live in.

The inference in context here is that you were expecting them to be more similar in weight. Maybe inference is too subtle a distinction for you.

OBVIOUSLY I was mistaken when you said


It seems I must 'grow up' in order to understand your logic.

I hope I never grow up.

No, you're still confusing the word "comparison" (which I used, explicitly) with the word "expectation", which I used precisely zero times. Now, you have used a word correctly. You used the word "inferred". Yes, you did infer something, and your inference was just plain incorrect. And when I pointed out that you screwed up, instead of copping to it, you blamed me for making a comparison. I wasn't implying anything, nor did I have any expectation. You just made all that up. How about you grow up and admit you made a mistake, huh?

Gents: TIME-OUT !

'Tis the Season to be Jolly !

In other words, don't make Santa deliver any more sacks of coal -
HAPPY HOLIDAYS !

Well, two things:
I do believe you can quote me as having said "I MADE IT UP". WELL before you decided to call me on it.
AND if you can do it I can do it. So go fck yourself.

SO you comparing the weights of two rims in the midst of a discussion of how heavy these rims are has no inferred expectation. GOtcha.

Grow up.

You have a serious case of 'last-word-itis'. I already SAID I hope I never grow up. You can quote me on that!

Irony. Hey, since you seem to think you can read my mind, what am I thinking right now?

Never have I once inferred, implied, expressed, or expected that I could read your mind.
Besides, you already quoted me on it.

Well, everyone reading this thread knows that's not true. You said I expected something when I didn't actually didn't write anywhere about expecting anything. That certainly implies mind-reading powers (and crappy ones at that.) Tell me again how you came to think of yourself as a psychic? Or, maybe the more plausible explanation: your grasp of the English language is poor, and you don't know the difference between the empirical and the emotional. Here let me help you with your English:

Comparison | Define Comparison at Dictionary.com

Expectation | Define Expectation at Dictionary.com

Good luck in your studies.

The "special wishes" claim is sort of dubious since they cant support it. A couple of "dealers" said "...it looks factory" is really meaningless.

The wheels are cheapo Speedline knockoffs.

I wondered about that myself. If the COA said something about it, then that would be one thing. But a dealer claiming something untrue to get a higher selling price? Well, that's never happened.

Agreed overall very dubious advertising. I followed the link and went through all the BS only to find the claim of it being a factory special wishes widebody is spuriously based on the word of ' a couple of Dealers ... '
Disappointing !