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Why was the Luxsport forum taken down??

Most likely threats of legal action?

Some of the posts WERE getting a bit over the top.

Its hard to believe there is any serious legal action. The garbage tactics that Luxsport employ are not speculation they're FACT.

When they claim "all original bought from the original owner in California" and you run the carfax showing its had several owners and never registered in Cali... thats a just outright misrepresentation. Or the car is still up on the dealer in Florida who they bought the car from then its misrepresentation.

When they say "all original paint" and there is over spray clearly visible all over the car, they're lying. When they say "paint meter verified" and someone else meters the car and shows readings in the teens and twenties then Luxsport is lying.

Where is the basis for legal action?

More like its a service to people who read forums to become aware of the crap they pull.

There really doesn't need to be a basis for legal action, the threat of legal action is sometimes enough. Pelican shouldn't have to potentially spend thousands of $ in attorney fees to defend some users' posts even if there was some truth to them. If someone got ripped off, they could take Luxsport to court, win there and then blast that over the internet without worry.

From the way the posts were going, Luxsport could consider spending the money to stay in business.

Pelican might have thought that there is enough info out on the web for potential buyers to form their own opinions on this dealer and thought it best financially to back off this time.

Not defending Luxsport but don't need to drag the provider of this free forum into this. Why should they even have to spend $300 for an attorney to draft a response?

Fortunately anyone smart enough to google Luxsport or Luxsport will likely change their mind about buying a car from them.

Thanks, that makes sense.

What really got to me was #1 the $1k PPI price, that did not turn up any of the false claims made by the dealer, and #2 and most important to me was it was performed by a PCA sanctioned DE tech. But this is a free forum and you are correct to point out Pelican is not here to defend comments made here .

Unfortunately in today’s litigious society even threats of legal action which have no basis become an expensive nuisance.

The post was removed because the two parties appeared to have worked out their differences amicably. The Pelican Parts Forums is a place to exchange comments, ideas, and thoughts about Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes cars, etc. - not to complain about other businesses. It is not my desire, nor my job to play "judge" in disputes that occur between two parties unrelated to Pelican. If people have complaints about a particular business, I suggest that they use one of the sites dedicated to that purpose, such as Yelp, or RipOffReport.com, etc.

Thank you for your cooperation.

-Wayne

They're hogging six spots one after another in the for sale page, isn't there a limit if I recall correctly?

^^^ they only bumped the ads to say the cars have sold. What ever happened to just editing the post to say - sold?

That way the ad doesn't get bumped and 6 other ads say on the first page a little longer. Seems fairly selfish to me.

Interesting they miraculously just sold 6 cars from their stable. They were such a hot commodity it only took them around 6 months to sell them. Apparently, they are partial to red...Good luck to the buyers. :eek: Tim

These are typical "used car sales people". No respect for others and this wonderful website.
I don't care if you sold these cars, have some manners.

Used car salesman............shifty eyes and bad shoes

The phones must have been ringing off the hook from pelicaners digging up 6 month old ads and trying to jump on those great deals for EXTREMELY RARE cars

Their yelps are more than a little suspicious. Tim

But when a business is constantly being called out for its shady business practices regarding Porsches, shouldn't it be left up on the forum to discuss? I understand if it was a isolated issue but when there is a bunch of negative documented history people should be warned.

This is right on. Wayne & Co have always been very fair with these forums and have really allowed it to grow and let it become a 'hands-off' place to hang out and share ideas and voice opinions. With all these current places like Angie's List, Yelp, Google Ratings, etc. it's sometimes better to let the star ratings handle it.

And exactly what someone above said. Just Google the company you plan to deal with and you'll probably find what you are looking for...or not looking for. Remember the Motormeister thread. No matter what people read or what you told people, they still did business with them. And they were way, way over the top compared to LuxSport or whomever. You can lead a horse to water...

Have you personally bought a car from Luxsport ?

Why would I personally buy a car from Luxsport? What does this mean? I haven't personally done a thing with them. I have no idea about them. I know they sell old 911s like every joker in the world does now.

And then you agree with me on your posting below this one?

If we bashed every clown unicycle-riding used Porsche dealer on this forum it would fill up the entire server. And that would be wasted space.

Agreed.

Question was directed more to the 3rd party bashers.

Some unicycle-riding dealers are worse than others. They aren't all the same, they don't treat their cars or their customers the same, and shouldn't be treated the same. While the two of you might consider them the very same as all the others, its obvious that some dealers are concerned with the customer and the product they sell, and others only care about making every last dollar they can, even over telling the truth about their cars. Identifying which is which is part of the marketplace discussion. Specific cases of wrongdoing? Sure, take that to Yelp or Angies List. overall impression of a particular reseller's dealings? Fair game among folks who are enthusiasts, and want to help other enthusiasts.

Wayne,

First, thanks for providing a fantastic resource for all things air cooled and more. I am a long time poster and long time customer of Pelican Parts. Certainly as the owner of this space your word is final.

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The one theme I have tried to convey in my posts is simple. Don’t give anyone a reason to bash business practices, especially if you’re a business who uses this free space for ecommerce.

When you post that you bought the car from the original owner make sure it’s not still on another dealer’s website. I am not going to list other examples of misrepresentation or even callout any dealer in particular. I don’t expect a follow through of posting pictures of the paint meter readings, although after the last debacle that’s exactly what we were told would happen in the future. When a car has been repainted and/or panels have been repainted then be upfront about it. If not in your listings all over the internet, at least on the ones on this forum. This is a targeted environment filled with enthusiasts and many of them know these cars better than most if not all sellers. It’s not likely you’ll fool the crowd here.

It’s really simple…. Sellers just might want to think twice about the use of such transparent fallacies when marketing to a knowledgeable audience. If that’s the case then no one here, including myself, will have anything negative to say. If it happens once, so be it, chalk it up to a mistake. When it’s repeated so often it becomes clear that this sort of thing is a standard business practice for a seller then, yea, maybe it should be called out by the community here.

As far as sights like yelp, google and others go in terms of reviews. They’re fine for simple products and services where the seller/provider has dozens of reviews. Unfortunately for a business like selling classic cars, the system is easily manipulated and can easily be populated with phony reviews. There are even companies who, for a fee, will periodically post new glowing reviews.

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Are you a used car dealer yourself ?

No Sir. Just a Porsche enthusiast.

We are all enthusiasts, Luxsport included.

Only some are in it just to make money.

I have no problem with dealers or private party sellers making money....we all know it's been quite a profitable business model buying and reselling 911's the past 3 years or so.

I just feel like if any business is being called out for being a shyster over and over again, it should be fair game to discuss it on the forum without it getting deleted.

The thing is, I think you're actually dumb enough to believe that.

You really are quite dim. Did you realize that all original paint is actually worth something, in monetary terms? And that claiming all original paint and/or no accidents is essentially the same as theft? Because people pay more for all original paint and clean accident history. Surely you're not such a slow wit as to assume that all cars are equal everywhere, and that collector cars have the same rules as daily drivers when it comes to value, right?

I just don't like to see people getting duped by outfits like the one we've discussed.

As I said many times over the years here about these kinds of dealers. You can buy a car from them.... if they have the "one" you want, it cant hurt to look. Just go in with your eyes wide open. I have never said "don't buy from x".

Just the same as people were being hurt by mm, I would hate to see people from the forum get taken by any business.

With all due respect to Wayne, I am not going to post specifics any longer. Should someone else get taken by one of these dealers that may change.

Wayne provides a FREE place for these people to conduct ecommerce, maybe they're the ones who should show that same respect to our host?

MM destroyed these cars. As enthusiasts, that matters.

Someone pays too much to a dealer ? Who cares. I'm sure that 964 drives just as well with or without the repaint.

I agree with you, what they pay is their business. If someone wants to pay more than what I think is "fair value" go4it. I don't set the market. It’s none of my business.

Now if what they're buying is misrepresented here on this forum then maybe we should call out the outfit who misrepresented the car?


That’s all I am saying.


Not every motor built by MM blew up or was a total POS.

Supposed someone sent their motor to that place. When they got it back it appeared okay, MM said it was totally rebuilt and they used X, Y, and Z parts. 200 miles into running it you find it’s not as they claimed and now you have to put a whole lot of additional funds into it. I don’t see that as a whole lot different than advertising a car as "pristine" or "all original paint" and then getting the car to find it’s neither.

If you see things differently that’s okay, I respect that.


I have had plenty of PM's from that dealer threatening legal action against me. That’s okay too, there is no basis for legal action. I am not intimidated by them. All I have done is point out the inaccuracies of their for sale posts.

Wayne asked that people not call out that dealer anymore and as far as I am concerned he has the final word.

Calling out the misrepresentation is good but almost all dealer and flipper ads have some sort of misrepresentation.

Are you calling out everyone else as well ?


The difference is MM devalued these cars. In other words, they left the cars in a worse shape than before they had their hands on them.

Luxsport is not guilty of that.

I have called out others in the past. Dig up some of those VMC threads. I wish I still had the phony cease and desist order that Robert from VCM sent to my PM box. Really? A C&D order to an anonymous forum member’s pm box…. Priceless, it was hysterical.

I do see the distinction you're making.

I guess I find what this dealer does particularly egregious. It’s almost comical at times when the car they are boasting about is still on the other dealer’s site.

I agree with your point, these guys don’t actually damage the cars, and they’re not potentially depleting the volume of cars out there.

Except the distinction he's making is artificial. Whether or not a service provider steals money by not performing needed repairs, or by substituting substandard parts or stealing money by misrepresenting the car as a certain condition when it isn't, the end result is exactly the same. The idea that some sealer is an "enthusiast" (LMAO) or "they all do it" is about as idiotic as an argument gets. No, they don't "all do it." I know for a fact that techweenie honestly represents all the cars he sells. He is actually an enthusiast, not merely a niche dealer. So this idiotic argument that we shouldn't ever discuss shady stuff done by sellers and resellers of cars is assinine. Hey, pmax - if you don't want to read the stuff, figure out how to use your software, and take your netcop crap and stuff it.

Yeah, I have seen that thread. One of them is lying :)

Certainly, buyer beware when it comes to these guys.

But hey, anyone who walk into a dealership believing every word is just a fool.

You are assuming the backwards position as usual.

Never said we shouldn't discuss misrepresenting ads.

Then your whole position is decidedly retarded. You should have shut up while you were behind.

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

George Bernard Shaw

Thanks Wayne.....You are a CLASS act and I like the way you run your SHOW...