1973.5 911T value check

[Cmuller0420]

So I have come into owning a 1973.5 911T Targa and had a few questions:

Overall the car is in good condition, a bit of body work (couple small spots on the floor pan) and the motor needs going over as it has sat for awhile, but was a daily driver.

The car has been partially disassemble (interior) for prepping for paint as it was painted red and looks likes its paint code was for aubergine. I am in process of a COA, but appears to be an original numbers matching car.

A couple questions:

On the 1973.5's did they equip them with Fuchs wheels that were black spokes with a chrome ring or would these be from a later 911?
Are the 73.5's any more/less desireable/collectable? My research seem to find they run smoother than the carburated ones.


I also wanted to inquire about pricing ....I see these cars all over the map. As it sits or restored back to original colour and motor gone through...what does a T Targa bring?

Figuring out a game plan on getting this car back to its former glory and need to get a handle on cost/potential with the car etc.

Any input is appreciated!

[brisboats]

Going to be somewhere in the 15-25k range as it sits of course pictures would help to narrow that window.
73.5 cars do run smoother but collectors are paying more for the mfi cars. As a driver the 73.5 is an easier car to own.
Coupes particularly non s/r will bring more than a targa as will a car with orig paint color and interior pieces.
The fuchs should be dated coded , my 73.5 came with fuchs but the spokes were not all black.
COA will help as some of these cars came with S options which can add value.
These cars are prone to rust so a thorough inspection is critical. Finding one without any rust at all is difficult.
The 2.4 csi is a nice running motor and with the 7:31 and light weight gives a very good driving experience.

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[gearby]

Brisboats pretty much covered it. And pretty accurately too. With regards to the wheels, the 73.5 did not come with all black centers. It would have had anodized pedals and lips with black backgrounds. The "00" flat six with 3 prong caps.

[73.5TinPA]

Original wheel from 73.5T.

[techweenie]

Standard wheel on the 73.5 for USA was the ATS Cookie Cutter. 6 X 15" Fuchs were optional.

Likely the value of the car is in the low $20s as described. Restored, especially if it was Aubgergine, the car could bring $60K and up. A top restoration could bring it as high as $80K.

[G450X]

I would add...unless you know where to really search on these cars, I would hire an expert to double check the body for rust and/or previous crash damage - expert repair gets expensive quickly. This might also give you a bit of "ammo" to negotiate a lower price.

Make sure you have an adequate budget for a proper restoration, parts have went up quite a bit in the past few years. An engine rebuild is a fairly expensive proposition now, even the once fairly reasonable to rebuild 915 gearbox has seen parts prices soar.

If you are mechanically inclined you could save quite a bit of money by performing many tasks such as disassembly and minor repairs.

Good luck, it sounds like a worthy restoration candidate in an interesting color. These late longhood fuel injected T's were really nice drivers and had many updates over earlier carb versions, look up the old road tests.

Hey Techweenie - how much would you say an interesting color (viper green, etc.) would add over the common white/red/black/silver cars? It seems like you have a better handle on these trends than most people.

There is a local guy that I ran into that has a low mile (around 72k if I recall correctly) early SC in continental orange (original paint) with sport seats and no sunroof and bright trim. I happened upon it during a drive this past summer when it was on jackstands in his garage. He was replacing the original rubber centered clutch which had let go! I thought all of those had been replaced long ago...

[techweenie]

My opinion - which is worth what I charge for it here - is that exotic colors add up to 20% and at the same time, segment the market. So for many, Viper Green would add 20% but might reduce the pool of prospects. I think Aubergine further reduces the pool of prospects, but adds 15% or so for the "period color" lovers.

The Continental Orange SC you reference is a big bump in value because of rarity and the (current) popularity of 'citrus colors.' (in the 80s, many painted their orange or viper cars black or gray.) Colors are very susceptible to taste trends.

The extreme example is the paint to sample category. For instance, there were two or three 73 911s painted Beige Gray Metallic. I would guess the value add at +30-40% in that instance.

[gearby]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Standard wheel on the 73.5 for USA was the ATS Cookie Cutter. 6 X 15" Fuchs were optional.

Likely the value of the car is in the low $20s as described. Restored, especially if it was Aubgergine, the car could bring $60K and up. A top restoration could bring it as high as $80K.

Are you sure the 73.5T came with the cookie cutter as standard equipment ? I know the 73E came with the cookie cutters. We could ask Harvey Weidman. He invented the cookie cutter for Porsche.

[Cmuller0420]

Thanks for the info!

So with a good quality restoration and going back to original paint, the car might be in the 60k - 80k range?

Why are there so many out there (eBay etc) over the 100k mark..are they original or just overpriced?

[blau911]

Originally Posted by gearby

Are you sure the 73.5T came with the cookie cutter as standard equipment ? I know the 73E came with the cookie cutters. We could ask Harvey Weidman. He invented the cookie cutter for Porsche.

Yes. The 2.4T cars did not come Fuchs wheels. It was an extra option.

[kp.sfo]

Originally Posted by Cmuller0420

Why are there so many out there (eBay etc) over the 100k mark..are they original or just overpriced?

As always... asking price is not selling price. Unless a car has had a complete nuts-and-bolts restoration and is now ready for a prime spot at Concours d'Elegance I honestly don't think a T will bring six figures these days. Just my 0.02...

Aside from that, I'd agree with what others have said about the value of your car in its current condition (again, pictures would help a lot). Enjoy your longhood!

[G60SuperCharger]

Porsche 911 base models came with 15x5.5 steelies all the way through 1975, then the 912E had them in 1976. Cookies were standard on 1973 911E, and then the 1974 and up 911S and 911SC. They were optional on the '73 and '73.5 911T and a lot of them were ordered that way.

They were also on the 1983-1985 944.

Harvey Wiedman designed the cookie cutter wheels? Didn't know that! They were all made by ATE in Germany.

Regarding value, Targas go for quite a bit less than coupes, which are most of the ones you see over $100K. I'd say they get about a 30% discount like for like.

[brisboats]

FWIW ..my 1973 sales literature shows the cookies as standard on the 73.5 T, my car has S calipers and appearance pack and came with fuchs.

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[brisboats]

Check that just had another look and shows steelies standard on the row cars... looks like all are or just may be right a bit here.
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[CountD]

You guys, everyone knows that a '73 911T is worth its weight in gold.

2,600 pounds (911T weight) = 41600 ounces

41600 ounces of gold = $44 million give or take

So I think the next guy should ask $44 million on eBay and everyone should expect to get that for their 911T.

My clever two cents.

[brisboats]

Originally Posted by CountD

You guys, everyone knows that a '73 911T is worth its weight in gold.

2,600 pounds (911T weight) = 41600 ounces

41600 ounces of gold = $44 million give or take

So I think the next guy should ask $44 million on eBay and everyone should expect to get that for their 911T.

My clever two cents.

Not all that clever as everyone that has experience with these cars knows a 73T weighs a mere 1050kg or 2314 pounds.


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[CountD]

Originally Posted by brisboats

Not all that clever as everyone that has experience with these cars knows a 73T weighs a mere 1050kg or 2314 pounds.


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Then you get to take off $3.6 million.