what are rollers worth these days?

G50911 · 07:17 AM

i have a 1971 911T that had been stripped down to bare metal, epoxy primed, floors replaced along with rear shelf, firewall, rear seat buckets etc. according to the COA it was paint-to-sample black which was a color that wasn't offered back then.

its a complete roller minus the engine and trans. interior is incomplete.

i was going to finish this as a LWB hotrod with a 3.2 and 915. but am eyeing some other cars have been popping up. i may put it up after it's painted. any thoughts?

bleek · 05-21-2016, 08:53 AM

For real? You gonna sell it man? What do you mean you got your eye on some other things. Better stop holding out on me bro! Whatcha looking at?!

blau911 · 05-21-2016, 09:48 AM

My advice. Don't paint it. The project is at a point where it can be painted any color the next owner desires. There is no black left on the car and it is coded as paint to sample, so let someone else paint it any color they want. The car is also missing its original drivetrain so originality is no longer a serious consideration. Glwts and it looks like the metal work was done well.

Nate2046 · Nate2046's Garage

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Originally Posted by blau911

Don't paint it. The project is at a point where it can be painted any color the next owner desires.

What he said. Ideal roller would be at the state you have it now. Finished paint eliminates a huge group of buyers.

G50911 · 05-21-2016, 06:48 PM

thanks for the feedback fellas. just curious what you think the value is on this? i know what i have into it but am curious what everyone thinks.

i've got dozens of PM's of people downplaying the package and then throwing out low ball ass offers. keep it classy pelicans i know a flipper when i see one.

blau911 · 05-22-2016, 12:22 AM

G50911,
More info is needed before I or anyone else could try to give you a ballpark estimate. You say everything is there except motor and trans, and interior is incomplete. All the pics show is a stripped shell. How about glass, door frames, wiring harness, instruments? Door handles, ignition system, lights and light housings, wheels, engine wiring harness, seats, dash, etc? Clear title? These are all things that can make a project very expensive to complete. If all that comes with the car is the shell as shown and a few misc interior things, don't expect much. There is a huge amount of man hours and parts to buy to get this car to where it will be a complete car. On the other hand, anyone with a totaled early 911 targa could save themselves a lot of time and money by using the metal on this car as a donor. But then the originality is no longer there.

G50911 · 05-22-2016, 06:25 AM

good point blau. the car come with wiring and everything you mentioned minus the seats, carpet and headliner. the fuchs that were on it are replicas and the door cards and rear seats were from the 80's. the previous owner tried to do an update on it. but everything else is complete. this is what it looked like before i tore it down. and yes clear california title.

Unobtanium-inc · 05-22-2016, 06:56 AM

The problem with a car like this is you are at the bottom end of the restoration curve. While the metal work looks great and was done right, most people take this stage for granted. They assume a good project should have good metal, so getting one to a good metal level is kind of back to square one. I would say take the project a little further, at least make it a primed roller, or a primed driver. Then people looking at the project will see the light at the end of the tunnel and pay accordingly. While you know how much work and money it took to get it to this point, only those who have been down this road will appreciate the work, most will not, and this translates to what you can get paid on the open market.
Good luck!

---Adam

G50911 · 05-22-2016, 07:14 AM

thanks adam. i'll probably end up painting it black to its oe state and then reassemble minus interior, motor and trans. it's suppose to be done and out of paint in june.

another option is i have a lead on a blank stamped motor from a 71T. might go that route and just finish it off if it makes sense.

bleek · 05-22-2016, 08:13 AM

Sorry man, just sold the case.

Unobtanium-inc · 05-22-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by G50911

thanks adam. i'll probably end up painting it black to its oe state and then reassemble minus interior, motor and trans. it's suppose to be done and out of paint in june.

another option is i have a lead on a blank stamped motor from a 71T. might go that route and just finish it off if it makes sense.

That sounds like a plan, we have a saying at Unobtanium, you have to show the car in such a way that the buyer can "picture himself rolling"

---Adam

pnut_lee · 05-22-2016, 04:26 PM

Don't paint it black. It doesn't retain its original drivetrain so regardless of what color is shown on the COA it's kind of a moot point at this stage of the game. With so many cool colors from the late 60's / early 70's black is boring in long hood cars. Either go out on a limb and paint it something interesting or let the buyer paint it.

bleek · 05-22-2016, 04:49 PM

I agree, I vote Aubergine!

Matt Monson · 05-22-2016, 05:19 PM

Don't paint it. I never would have bought my 74 if it was still black. If I hadn't been able to choose it bare metal in Gulf Blue I would have passed on the car. Finishing it for me was a big piece of the decision.

Unobtanium-inc · 05-22-2016, 06:07 PM

I agree, don't paint it, sell it in primer and show pics of the metal work, but save the money on paint, leaves a blank slate for the next owner.

--Adam

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

Do not paint it.... given a quality metal repair, I would price the tub at $15,000 to $20,000 for sale to a punter looking to build a hot rod......

G50911 · 05-23-2016, 09:58 AM

ok 15-20 for the tub but what about primered and assembled to the state in the last set of pics? or painted and to the state of the last pics?

Macroni · Macroni's Garage

What would the condition be?
If in the condition of your starting point with all metal complete in primer but still in need of mechanical renovation not much more..... maybe $5,000 to $10,000 as the car will still need to be dismantled, restored and sorted...... there are a few very nice Ts out there for $55,000.

It does look like a nice starting point for a lightweight hotrod.

Here is my vision and budget using someone like TLG/Esposito in North Hollywood to complete the work.....

Paint/Chrome: $15,000; long hoods need bright work, again optimistic....

Motor....... $10,000; 3.0 or 3.2 installed assuming no work needed. Reality closer to $20,000.

Trans........ $5,000; 915 LSD Transmission, these are getting harder to find......

Interior..... $10,000; RS Lightweight motif /Vintage Seats, TRE Roll Bar, new dash.......Straight forward.

Brakes and suspension freshening.... $2,500, cheap estimate reality closer to $10,000

Refinishing of Wheels and Tires....$1,000; yours look good.

Sorting/ Electrical /fuel system / Wipers.... $5,000., another cheap estimate.

So with $55,000 being the market for a driver T with needs; my estimate for my completion of yours would be $50,500 to $68,000 + Tub ($15.0-$20.0).

This would give me a relatively simple hot rod with a high value of $89,000 and a low value of $65,500. Again, I might be light but like all good meals it is about the ingredients.....

It would be a fun car........