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69porsche 09-15-2016 06:01 AM

1967-73 resale value dropping? Your thoughts?
 
Considering that these early cars (911S not included) were asking and getting 100K plus and I am not talking about auction sites or the rare "one owner" vehicle last summer...Do you think the bubble has burst? and now these vehicles have been substantially lowered in price for sale-----interested to know your perspective

Macroni 09-15-2016 06:29 AM

This thread is a good example of market......

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/915988-1972-911-t-coupe-irish-green-tan.html

Perspective needs to be placed on the overall market from 2008 until now. The market ran up strongly until last year when it began to slow. While it is deflating, I do not think it will return to the sub $20K market of 2008. I do think the day of $75,000 driver Ts are in the mirror at least until the euro runs up again.

techweenie 09-15-2016 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 9281968)
This thread is a good example of market......

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/915988-1972-911-t-coupe-irish-green-tan.html

Perspective needs to be placed on the overall market from 2008 until now. The market ran up strongly until last year when it began to slow. While it is deflating, I do not think it will return to the sub $20K market of 2008. I do think the day of $75,000 driver Ts are in the mirror at least until the euro runs up again.

Not a very good example, IMO. Replaced body parts indicate some serious prior trauma. I think no-stories 'nice driver' 2.4 T coupes are $75-100K.

billh1963 09-15-2016 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 69porsche (Post 9281932)
Considering that these early cars (911S not included) were asking and getting 100K plus and I am not talking about auction sites or the rare "one owner" vehicle last summer...Do you think the bubble has burst? and now these vehicles have been substantially lowered in price for sale-----interested to know your perspective

Yes...the rapid inflation is over for most all models.

The best of the best and rarest of the rare will hold value. The rest are sinking.

Although prices will not return to previous levels, they are dropping and will continue to do so.

Sunroof 09-15-2016 07:29 AM

As an owner of a nice 1973.5T, I am always watching the latest articles on the price range of these cars today. Excellence Magazine's latest Porsche evaluation publication showed a rise in the long hood series, with the "S" still way the hell out there and leading the way. According to Excellence, the range for the 1973T model for a good driver, matching numbers can go as high as 100K. By the way, their is a 1973.5T (Sepia Brown) advertised in the Cars For Sale here that's all "original" for 110K. Not bad...naw, these beauties will continue to hold.

Bobhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1473953026.jpg

Matt Monson 09-15-2016 07:41 AM

I don't see anything sinking. The dreamers and speculators are waking up, but the pricing on these cars is still solid and still many times more than they were 2-3 years ago.

specialtyoneinc 09-15-2016 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9282090)
I don't see anything sinking. The dreamers and speculators are waking up, but the pricing on these cars is still solid and still many times more than they were 2-3 years ago.

This. ^

I think nice cars will always sell for good money. Maybe a average correction of 10%-15% max.

Macroni 09-15-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 9282005)
Not a very good example, IMO. Replaced body parts indicate some serious prior trauma. I think no-stories 'nice driver' 2.4 T coupes are $75-100K.

I do not know.....starting ask at $85,000... sold for $69,500. The car, IMO, was a nice driver. To me replacement panels on a 44yo driver is not shocking. Both my S and T had them and many $1,000,000 RSs have them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9282090)
I don't see anything sinking. The dreamers and speculators are waking up, but the pricing on these cars is still solid and still many times more than they were 2-3 years ago.

I agree with this...... dreamers who have inflated the value of their cars to the status of a low mileage 1 are adjusting their pricing. Asking and selling two different numbers many time.... I do think there are examples of the market sinking.

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Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 9282114)
This. ^

I think nice cars will always sell for good money. Maybe a average correction of 10%-15% max.

Yes, some are even at new highs. I understand a very low low low number restored RS is trading hands (privately) at a record value. It was initially sold after restoration at $500,000 when RSs were trading at $160,000.

Matt Monson 09-15-2016 09:32 AM

To me sinking means there's a hole in the side and it's gonna run aground. Markets and tides ebb and flow.

Mick_D 09-15-2016 09:58 AM

maybe instead of a bubble it's a zit that just popped and all that rotten goo that caused it is clearing out?

Fubawu 09-15-2016 10:14 AM

I think Matt is spot on, people have been a bit too greedy " He got 50k so I should get 55k for mine.." the next guy wants 60k etc.
Plus people are seeing crazy asking prices and pricing off of that. The market was strong but eventually there has to be a push back. Buy a rusted T for $35k makes no sense, it going to cost you 40k for light to restore it and when your done you still have a stock T worth $70k but it took you two years to get to that point.

ASD 09-15-2016 10:33 AM

if the long hoods come down and the SC continues to rise, maybe I can swap mine out:p

Rick Brooklyn 09-15-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 9282204)
. I understand a very low low low number restored RS is trading hands (privately) at a record value. It was initially sold after restoration at $500,000 when RSs were trading at $160,000.

Please do tell more.

Farrell 09-15-2016 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9282852)
Why call these cars drivers when they are hardly driven ?

i drive the **** outta all my cars. granted i don't have a numbers matching 911RS with race history....

Puma 09-15-2016 06:26 PM

No amount of value change up or down will alter the love I have for my little rust bucket of restorative fun.

techweenie 09-15-2016 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mick_D (Post 9282366)
maybe instead of a bubble it's a zit that just popped and all that rotten goo that caused it is clearing out?

This is my favorite one sentence market summary to date. I agree.

LakeCleElum 09-17-2016 05:27 AM

For years, I watched the 356 market go thru this same process.....A ratchet effect.....3 steps forward, one step back. I'm still waiting for that day to return when I can get a nice 356 cab for $10K......

The '65-73.5" market will do the same.......If you want to be on the bus, don't wait too long to jump on.

Sunroof 09-19-2016 04:46 AM

I went to the local Porsche dealer here in Atlanta, Ga this weekend to order a part and inquired about the value of my 1973.5T (Sepia). I was surprised that the second floor of the showroom was full of consignment cars, none of which were longhoods. Apparently, longhoods are in high demand according to the rep. and going for top dollar. "We know a whole bunch of folks who would want your car"! Commission was set at 10% for an under 100K sale. I plan on selling my car and would think that handing it over to a Porsche dealership to place in a showroom setting for a low commission might be the way to go!

If a Porsche dealership is advising that the longhoods are in demand and prices are strong, who's to argue?

Bob
1973.5T

Macroni 09-19-2016 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunroof (Post 9286948)
I went to the local Porsche dealer.... Apparently, longhoods are in high demand according to the rep. and going for top dollar. "We know a whole bunch of folks who would want your car"!

Atlanta is a great market for Porsche's, I believe #2 to Los Angeles.

I do not know how much of an authority a local dealership is.... This month's Panorama had fifteen long hoods for sale of which five were Ss..... IMO, this is unprecedented in the last 8 years.

69porsche 09-19-2016 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunroof (Post 9286948)
I went to the local Porsche dealer here in Atlanta, Ga this weekend to order a part and inquired about the value of my 1973.5T (Sepia). I was surprised that the second floor of the showroom was full of consignment cars, none of which were longhoods. Apparently, longhoods are in high demand according to the rep. and going for top dollar. "We know a whole bunch of folks who would want your car"! Commission was set at 10% for an under 100K sale. I plan on selling my car and would think that handing it over to a Porsche dealership to place in a showroom setting for a low commission might be the way to go!

If a Porsche dealership is advising that the longhoods are in demand and prices are strong, who's to argue?

Bob
1973.5T

I have a 1969-911E all matching #'s , that I want to sell...Burgundy exterior and black exterior. I plan to sell my car, however I did reach out to a dealer in Atlanta and other national buyers that deal in collection cars, but he is willing to put it on consignment, however he does not want to buy it outright as he having difficulty moving the early 911's off his showcase. He said the 912 and 911SC are doing well. I might have to go the consignment route as well. As an owner of a 912, I really like driving that car more than my 911 therefore hence putting the car up for sale.


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