All true, however, when you go to sell it like this one, none of that matters anymore. The market will decide the value.

Most people that modify a car don't typically care about resale value because they are making it their own, or making it better... these mods could have been done when extremely clean turbos were going for 35-40k, or earlier. Not everyone looked at these cars like they needed to be stock and investments--they were driving machines. I guarantee a fair share of the stock examples out there were not stock at one time, but taken back to stock after the market hop.

To each their own. Not everyone cares about the resale value, nor did many people expect these cars to get as expensive are they are now.

What not to do to a 23k mile 930
 

I dont see how a car that was THE supercar of the 70s early 80s could not be recognized as a highly collectible classic. I guess it took years of porsche building boring,wind tunneled,uninspiring and finally the death throw.. the addition of water cooled boxer engines.

Can we all at least agree looking back that the 930 was the coolest porsche to ever be produced ?

No other porsche has even came close to inspiring the publics imagination. Maybe the 959. but few people would know what a 959 was if they saw it. They would instantly know a 930 is a porsche even with no badging. From 10 year old kids to 90 year old kids.

The ferrari testarossa is another iconic 80s classic. Not sure ferrari has built a more inspiring more ferrari design than the testarossa. How could you not know this is another instant highly collectible classic.

I can stand In front of a car and tell if it has personality a soul "if it lives, breathes" both the 930 and the testarossa are very alive and they have a soul. Newer porsches NO and ferraris maybe a few..

I think ferrari has laid off the wind tunnel on a few designs lately and these cars show it. Beautiful. Something porsche needs to take heed from. As porsche has been entirely too dependent on wind tunnels for design for the past 20 years. That is why we have such boring ambiguous designs with no visual identity that cues porsche in the imagination.

Sports cars and beautiful women are on the same parallel.

Looks are PARAMOUNT practically/functionality not so much.

Yes a beautiful woman and a beautiful sports car should share another parallel.. HIGH MAINTENANCE lol

bbturbo has it right. Exactly how I look at my car. It's a toy for me to enjoy.
I guess I'm lucky that the value of the car is irrelevant financially. So I have a very hard time seeing your points towards modifications hurting the value.

The facts are:
The factory Air Conditioning is worthless. With modern compressors, condensers, evaporators and hoses the AC actually works and makes the car enjoyable to drive in the summer.
So why leave it outdated and stock?

The emissions regulations and lack of technology left at least 100HP on the table. With a modern exhaust, turbo and intercooler you can give it the power Porsche would have.
So why leave it outdated and stock?

Lets not get into the electrical up-grades to the lights, fuel pumps, ect that are needed to keep it from burning to the ground.
Are you leaving that stock? You better keep that insurance paid up if not.

So it comes back to this. Do you want a car to drive and enjoy? Or do you want a garage queen that you brag about?
The first puts a smile on your face every time you go for a spin. It's like a night with Rawknee..:eek:
The second one causes anxiety and stress over keeping the car perfect so the "value" isn't hurt.

Carrera RS was the most iconic Porsche, not the 930.

I'd bet 95% of the world can't tell the difference between a regular old 911 with a whale tail and a 930. It's the same difference between a base Mustang and Mustang GT. Or a 912 and 911. Or 924 and 944. Same car but with higher performance in all of these examples.

The whole air cooled 911 line is either iconic or a bunch of overpriced VWs depending on your perspective.

If I had a 930, I'd seek out one that had the right combo of performance mods for street driving that looked stock otherwise.

100% spot on (other than the number might be closer to 98% :D) - most do not even recognize the body differences (skinny 'v' fender flares), much less the differences in power-plants.


False - nothing compares to that!!!

See Rawknee, anyone can have a Tuurboo....SmileWavy Tim


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1495563270.jpg

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Tim, is that your sheeper - before you set about doing the business to it? :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/955783-1976-porsche-turbo-carrera-sale.html

Oh the tragedy. He ruined it when he made it 3.2l and twin plugged the heads. So sad. Another original car destroyed...

I ****** want this car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree that 930s are amazing cars, 9309700xx, but you have to keep in mind that at one point a 930 in driving condition could be had for as cheap as 15k (this was in 2000-05 when I saw them routinely that low at the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Auction). At a 15-30k price point, many of them were modded because they were cheap horsepower cars. Also, everyone that didn't have a clue of markets looked at them like they were expensive cars due to the brand name, so nobody paid any attention.

930s, along with any other collector car were undervalued for many years. Even the change to liquid cooled didn't promote the hop... I blame the market hop to them finally getting credit for being great, but also the collector/enthusiast/wanna be people/ car markets are very high across the board. Over the last five years, it's become suddenly "Cool" to be into cars, and attracting people to drive up prices on everything. You referenced the Testarossa--they could be had for in the high 20s at one point, and rarely were over 50k for pristine examples. Both Iconic? Heck yeah, but they were both cheap buys at one point.

So when people look at a 150k 930, they may look at it and say, "Why did someone ruin this to such an expensive car?" It's all in the eyes of the beholder. Some mods are fantastic for 930s and help with cooling, longevity, etc.... the "ruining the car" mods are the ones that aren't easily reversible--RWB for example :) . Bolt-ons are nothing and usually do nothing to hurt the car.

I see what you are getting at with current market prices, but you have to think about everything in consideration. A 930 isn't a Duesenberg, and are usually not frowned upon for mods.

Yes, I took the Turbo badge off and now wear it on a necklace. Tim:D

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You didn't stitch the badge onto the front of your favorite jockstrap?!?! :eek:

bbturbo said it best. There's "ruining the car" mods and mods that actually help enchance performance/driveability and can be semi-easily reversible. The BAT car is the latter....I'm guessing a max $110k bid but I have been way off.

This thread is but just one more stupid a$$ value discussion of modded 930's. Give it a farking rest! Each 930 owner decides for himself/herself what is important to them and what they like as the car's owner. People do what they want to their cars. If the owner decides to sell it, in the end the market dictates what the car is worth...Modded or stock.

Bejeezus...

Lol.

The irony is not lost here of 93097004xx, purveyor of all million dollar stock 930s, grossly underestimating this car.

What not to do to a 23k mile 930
 

This 930 is going back stock. The new owner will have nearly $150,000 invested at that point.

Still $40,000 cheaper than hagerty values.




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134,000.00 is not bad for a modded 930.

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Hagerty values are not rooted in in realty.