What not to do to a 23k mile 930

[93097004xx]

BaT auction... always a story.

23k mile 930 twin plugs ect.

Never understood the molestation of perfect condition 930s.

Mods are going to affect the value of this 930 by at least $25,000 and im sure the owner spent as much on the mods. That puts the true cost of these mods at $50,000+..

23K-Mile 1986 Porsche 911 Turbo | Bring a Trailer

[Rick Brooklyn]

What does Ronnie say?

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[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

What does Ronnie say?

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Ronnies dream here..

Can't imagine taking a 930 with miles in the teens and doing this.

Back in the day maybe a gutted beat up trackdog.

But today with all the cheap watercooled porsches that have much higher performance for a fraction of the cost of a 930 this makes even less sense.


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[Matt Monson]

Electromotive ignition and twin plugging is far from molesting a car. That's a motorsports caliber upgrade to a stock dog that many will appreciate. There's a butt for every seat. Thank dog not everyone in this game is a buffer.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

What does Ronnie say?

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I could't imagine owning any 930, regardless of miles (which are likely fake/fraudulent anyway), that wasn't modified in terms of power and power delivery - the as delivered, clipped nutz versions leave a lot to be desired.

As far as mods affecting the diaper polisher types perception of "value" in a negative way - that's a sure sign of extra small genitalia.

[ficke]

I think body mods. are where the value is really hurt the most. This car has a unmolested body. So in my view, little damage to value. The engine mods. are pretty minor engine mods and so are easily reversible.
I do think it does hurt selling to leave it like this, I think the market of buyers would be larger with it back to stock on the engine.
Even people who want a modified car tend to prefer buying stock ones then modifying them, even though they pay a premium to do that.

Now what is crazy is the guy who asked me how to weld up the sunroof of the bone stock 356 A Coupe he is making an 'outlaw' out of.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

BaT auction... always a story.

23k mile 930 twin plugs ect.

Never understood the molestation of perfect condition 930s.

Mods are going to affect the value of this 930 by at least $25,000 and im sure the owner spent as much on the mods. That puts the true cost of these mods at $50,000+..

23K-Mile 1986 Porsche 911 Turbo | Bring a Trailer

Did it ever cross your mind that the owner modded the car before the market went crazy? Not everyone sits around all day and worries about the value of their car. Plus everything added is quality, reversible and really helps the performance/drive of a 930.

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Did it ever cross your mind that the owner modded the car before the market went crazy? Not everyone sits around all day and worries about the value of their car. Plus everything added is quality, reversible and really helps the performance/drive of a 930.

Yes the mods could have been done sometime ago.

We will see how greatly these mods affects value. Safe to say this 930 is worth $125,000 even on BaT..

At proper auction this 930 could be worth $150,000+.

It will be easy to see the affect the mods have of this beautiful 930.


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[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

Yes the mods could have been done sometime ago.

We will see how greatly these mods affects value. Safe to say this 930 is worth $125,000 even on BaT..

At proper auction this 930 could be worth $150,000+.

It will be easy to see the affect the mods have of this beautiful 930.


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Even in 100% stock form that 1986 isn't going to fetch anywhere near $150k at the auction.

Here's a comp of a better condition car closer to the peak of the market.

1988 Porsche 930 | Gooding & Company

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Even in 100% stock form that 1986 isn't going to fetch anywhere near $150k at the auction.



Here's a comp of a better condition car closer to the peak of the market.



1988 Porsche 930 | Gooding & Company

Umm yes they have, do and will..

http://www.goodingco.com/?s=porsche+930

I know you are a CAR DEALER/FLIPPER with more than a few sales on this very forum.

I don't have a problem with that.

It's the constant doomsday drum you beat.

Yes I know you want to buy aircooled 911s on the cheap..

That ship HAS sailed.. years ago.

But lucky for you BMWs and many other european sports cars can be had on the cheap.

Yes this very 930 in stock condition with 23k miles would have no problem hitting $150,000 at auction.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

Umm yes they have, do and will..

porsche 930 | Search Results | Gooding & Company

I know you are a CAR DEALER/FLIPPER with more than a few sales on this very forum.

I don't have a problem with that.

It's the constant doomsday drum you beat.

Yes I know you want to buy aircooled 911s on the cheap..

That ship HAS sailed.. years ago.

But lucky for you BMWs and many other european sports cars can be had on the cheap.

Yes this very 930 in stock condition with 23k miles would have no problem hitting $150,000 at auction.

Please elaborate on the BMW's and european sports cars that are cheap? I'm not familiar with that market at all and I'm seriously interested in buying and Flipping them through my Dealership. Thanks in advance.

[kevin930t]

I don't know about everyone else but i would rather buy a car that has hd those mods done.A stock 930 is a quick car don't get me wrong butt having done those mods and a few more its like knight &day.Funnest car i have ever been in.Just sayyin

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[Cornerlot]

Is low miles the tipping point for some critics? How about a 100k mile driver 930 with the dual plugs, Electromotive DIS, and say throw in EFI to the mix. Would it's value be enhanced over stock??

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by Cornerlot

Is low miles the tipping point for some critics? How about a 100k mile driver 930 with the dual plugs, Electromotive DIS, and say throw in EFI to the mix. Would it's value be enhanced over stock??

Original cars can still have strong value over modified cars even at 100,000 miles.

Modified cars will pull a premium if they are,

Ruf
Kremer
Andial
DP
Early Special Wishes (these cars will have big upside soon..)

Problem is with modified.. and this is where I upset a lot of pelicans.

Quality let me say this again QUALITY.

These mods are often poorly carried out and misguided.

So when you modify a 930 you leave all kind of questions as to the quality of these modifications..

That's before you take in account a 930 that started out as the ultimate expression of the 911 and now looks like a dogs breakfast..

Painted engines, goofy cheap autozone wheels,gutted interiors, incorrect mirrors,spoilers, wings ect. The list goes on and on.

So good intentions with 99% of 930 modifications (at home engineering) ends in bad results.

These cars were highly technical and had the most supreme build quality the world has ever seen (G body 911). So you can imaging what happens when a at home mechanic starts throwing parts on from a mail order catalog..

I'm restoring a 120 year old victorian house (4000 + sq ft) so I don't have time to attempt even remedial repairs. I leave everything to a pro of 30+ years experience on aircooled 911/930s.

[93097004xx]

It's no secret once you modify a car it's value deprecates. It's just some modifications really kill value..


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[willtel]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

It's no secret once you modify a car it's value deprecates. It's just some modifications really kill value..

Then why is a Singer more exspensive than a stock 964?

[93097004xx]

Originally Posted by willtel

Then why is a Singer more exspensive than a stock 964?

Sorry but that's not a at home engineer.. Thats more like Ruf..

In fact I read they have guys from the aerospace community working there. I believe one guy is from NASA..

Yeah those aren't being made by folks at their garage. Not that it's wrong to build car in your garage. But there are cars more suited to this than air cooled turbos. Lots of water cooled turbos with even higher performance potentials.

[Menmojo]

Why did this seller modify his 930? Maybe it's because he felt like it!
After all it's his car and not your car. There are a lot of people out there that could care a less about what the value of their car is or what others think about it.
If you want to invest your money do so in the stock market....

[willtel]

Originally Posted by 93097004xx

Sorry but that's not a at home engineer.. Thats more like Ruf..

In fact I read they have guys from the aerospace community working there. I believe one guy is from NASA..

Yeah those aren't being made by folks at their garage. Not that it's wrong to build car in your garage. But there are cars more suited to this than air cooled turbos. Lots of water cooled turbos with even higher performance potentials.

That doesn't hold water either. Do you think a stock '77 Targa is worth $75000?

Custom 1977 Porsche 911 Targa | Bring a Trailer

[kevin930t]

Sorry Tony you have been reading to many excellence mags.I guarantee you Singer started in someones garage i am sure by mods that wanted to improve what Porsche started,wider fenders,bigger wheels,bigger motor,trans,5 speed,6 speed.Same with ruf and Kramer.These guys didn't wake up and say hey maybe we should be make these cars worth less and hot rod the shizz out of them no they did it because all of them are passionate about taking something good and making them better.Thats what i did and i dare you to say my car is worse off because i did it in my garage.Dare you

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