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gomezoneill 10-24-2017 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9788328)

The car looks wayyyy better in the photos that's why I fell for it. It pisses me off to no end that a fellow Porsche enthusiast would do such a thing to another. I guess that's what I get for a 6800 dollar car.

SalParadise 10-24-2017 10:10 AM

I purchased a 911 sight unseen ONE time. I had it shipped 3200 miles to California from Florida. The car was a disaster. The floor was gone.

I blamed myself. I took all the blame and vowed never to buy a car sight unseen. I did not blame the seller. To him, it was a rusty car which I knew to some extent, but didn't think the floor was gone. I sold the car and broke even.

That day I learned a very powerful lesson. It's on ME to be smart.

sugarwood 10-24-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9788328)
Is this the car ?

pmax, nice skillsz.
How did you find the ad for the car?

thamlin000 10-24-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SalParadise (Post 9789131)
I purchased a 911 sight unseen ONE time. I had it shipped 3200 miles to California from Florida. The car was a disaster. The floor was gone.

I blamed myself. I took all the blame and vowed never to buy a car sight unseen. I did not blame the seller. To him, it was a rusty car which I knew to some extent, but didn't think the floor was gone. I sold the car and broke even.

That day I learned a very powerful lesson. It's on ME to be smart.

100% agree with this. I feel bad for OP getting a car that doesn't meet his expectations but I believe that it's really on the buyer to inspect the car before handing over the money.

I've bought two cars sight unseen and both times, I go into it expecting the worst. Luckily, I've never been burned myself. On the flip side, I hate selling a car to someone sight unseen. There's really no way to completely describe condition/mechanicals/driveability without inspecting it in person.

nathanbs 10-24-2017 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SalParadise (Post 9789131)
I purchased a 911 sight unseen ONE time. I had it shipped 3200 miles to California from Florida. The car was a disaster. The floor was gone.

I blamed myself. I took all the blame and vowed never to buy a car sight unseen. I did not blame the seller. To him, it was a rusty car which I knew to some extent, but didn't think the floor was gone. I sold the car and broke even.

That day I learned a very powerful lesson. It's on ME to be smart.

Trust me I hear you but at what point do you draw the line on needing to verify that what someone is telling you is accurate and/or true? Do you crack open a motor that was just built to look inside. I want to believe that there are plenty of other people out there just like me that are honest and capable of accurately describing a vehicle. I wish there was a buyer/seller feedback mechanism here to rate each other. That would be a blast!! :)

MrBonus 10-24-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SalParadise (Post 9789131)
I purchased a 911 sight unseen ONE time. I had it shipped 3200 miles to California from Florida. The car was a disaster. The floor was gone.

I blamed myself. I took all the blame and vowed never to buy a car sight unseen. I did not blame the seller. To him, it was a rusty car which I knew to some extent, but didn't think the floor was gone. I sold the car and broke even.

That day I learned a very powerful lesson. It's on ME to be smart.

I bought my Scout II sight unseen from 3000 miles away and it was completely rust free and perfectly maintained.

I also bought my 911 basically sight unseen except I paid for a PPI and it was nearly perfect.

I'm about to buy my first classic car locally. Why do I have a feeling my luck might run out?

SalParadise 10-24-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBonus (Post 9789455)
I bought my Scout II sight unseen from 3000 miles away and it was completely rust free and perfectly maintained.

I also bought my 911 basically sight unseen except I paid for a PPI and it was nearly perfect.

I'm about to buy my first classic car locally. Why do I have a feeling my luck might run out?

It may never run out. Which is good for you. For me, it was the first time I ever did it - and the last time. I broke even - but it was a lot of work to break even. It happens in life, but it may never happen to you. If I paid for a PPI they would have caught it, but it was an eBay auction and the price wasn't too bad. Won't do it again though.

SalParadise 10-24-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 9789431)
Trust me I hear you but at what point do you draw the line on needing to verify that what someone is telling you is accurate and/or true? Do you crack open a motor that was just built to look inside. I want to believe that there are plenty of other people out there just like me that are honest and capable of accurately describing a vehicle. I wish there was a buyer/seller feedback mechanism here to rate each other. That would be a blast!! :)

Well, I think you're very extreme on your line drawing. For me, I just want to see the car. I'm a person that always ends up buying something that needs work, know why? Because every car that's almost older than me (my '75 S) - and ones that are not so old (2000 Audi TT) - usually need some kind of work. Cars don't last forever, and people don't either.

I'm not going to 'crack open a motor that was just rebuilt' as you said, which is extreme, but would like to see the car. I thought my original post was personal enough and not extreme. As I've gotten older, I've put more blame on myself because I should have learned many of these lessons. Kind of like showing up late for something. Just leave a half-hour early and don't sweat it.

nathanbs 10-24-2017 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SalParadise (Post 9789482)
Well, I think you're very extreme on your line drawing. For me, I just want to see the car. I'm a person that always ends up buying something that needs work, know why? Because every car that's almost older than me (my '75 S) - and ones that are not so old (2000 Audi TT) - usually need some kind of work. Cars don't last forever, and people don't either.

I'm not going to 'crack open a motor that was just rebuilt' as you said, which is extreme, but would like to see the car. I thought my original post was personal enough and not extreme. As I've gotten older, I've put more blame on myself because I should have learned many of these lessons. Kind of like showing up late for something. Just leave a half-hour early and don't sweat it.

I wasn't making fun of you for wanting to check out every car in person and my example was extreme however it shouldn't be the case that you have to check a car in person. It's bull crap how many shady sellers there are. I've had everything from the hired inspector being incahoots with the seller and completely lying to me as he was talking to me over the phone while he was looking at the car to someone telling me that a car only has two coin sized rust spots and in actuality it had two coin sized spots that were rust free lol. Just sucks. Sometimes I go look at it sometimes I don't. No real rhyme or reason

SalParadise 10-24-2017 06:02 PM

Yes, the way I figure it, then that it's me and only me to take responsibility if it's bad if I view it in person.

Unobtanium-inc 10-24-2017 06:22 PM

Here's a horrible story with a happy ending, about buying a car sight unseen, a one owner car at that!

https://www.pca.org/news/2016-07-19/barnfinding-one-owner-nightmare

---Adam

Corvus Corvax 10-24-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 9789431)
Trust me I hear you but at what point do you draw the line on needing to verify that what someone is telling you is accurate and/or true? Do you crack open a motor that was just built to look inside.

If the car came with receipts from John Walker's Workshop for an engine rebuild, I would believe that the motor had been rebuilt. If there are receipts for a glass-out repaint, and the pictures show awesome paint and new window rubber, I would believe it.

Claims made in an ad with no paper to back it up? Don't count on it.

Pichu 10-24-2017 09:43 PM

Michigan to NY? That's barellly a drive!! Should've went first hand. No rewinding time, you're a man, time to roll up the sleeves and fix what needs fixing.

techweenie 10-25-2017 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc (Post 9788318)
You probably have little if any legal recourse, but you can reach out to the seller, he might send you some money back. I have had sellers send money back when a car is mis-represented, I've also had them tell me to pound sand, but it's worth a try. The best I ever had was a guy who told me the car had little to no rust, some bubbling in the doors, etc. When the car arrived the pedals were dangling in mid-air, the floors were gone. When I called and complained he said, "Look, the car photographs really well, just take some pictures and re-sell it, you will do fine." I asked if he wanted me to do to the next guy what he did to me? His answer was, "Look, I'm giving you an out here, if you don't want to take it that's on you."

---Adam

Holy moley. That's almost word for word my experience with a "gentleman" from KY who is active on Samba.

There are people who will kiss off their reputation for just a few bucks. Can't really leverage them with exposure -- they just don't care.

gomezoneill 10-25-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pichu (Post 9789828)
Michigan to NY? That's barellly a drive!! Should've went first hand. No rewinding time, you're a man, time to roll up the sleeves and fix what needs fixing.

You're correct that's what I'm doing. Can't repair the body work though.

gomezoneill 10-25-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 9789242)
pmax, nice skillsz.
How did you find the ad for the car?

That's my photo in my garage.

pmax 05-23-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gomezoneill (Post 9787992)
Right from the start this about a 928 I just bought not a 911 but this forum has the most informed people so I thought you may be able to help me out. Just to mention, I have two 911's use this forum and buy many parts from our host . Soooo, I purchased this 928 and the owner stated "the a/c was inop,the car has never been hit hard, shifted fine" bla,bla. I got the car delivered it's been smashed in the right front to the inner fender and the a/c heater box was filled with a piss smelling mouse nest the a/c heater controls were shot, the trans grinds going into gear etc... Do I have any recourse or just chalk it up to not doing do diligence? Bought online from a guy in Michigan shipped to NY.

Any updates ?

gomezoneill 05-23-2018 11:44 AM

Yeah I it sucked it up spent 3 grand getting it running and sold it for a huge loss.

touringmandan 05-23-2018 11:54 AM

So who was the "optimistic" seller? Please don't let another Pelican step in his mouse droppings!

gomezoneill 05-23-2018 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by touringmandan (Post 10047694)
So who was the "optimistic" seller? Please don't let another Pelican step in his mouse droppings!

His name is Stephen Salata from Pinckney Michigan 48169


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