Thoughts on this 2009 Porsche 911 turbo

[matt930s]

Curious what you all think of this car and what could be wrong....


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Porsche-911-911-turbo/222874148666?hash=item33e4559f3a:g:nz4AAOSwjXVaob3 V&vxp=mtr

[matt930s]

“Please please read carefully. This is the second and last time that I am posting the car for sale. The first time the irresponsible buyer gave me a bs story so please if you have negative feedbacks don’t even message me . I purchased the turbo from a used car dealer here in New Jersey. After using the car for about 1,000 miles one night the car broke down.I noticed oil came out of the filters but the car never shot off or lost oil pressure so I drove it about 3 miles . After that it didn’t start I took it to a friend

That owns a shop but he recommends to take it to a Porsche especialist at this point and time I don’t
Have the meanings or refunds to continue with the car and decided to move on to a new adventure. The good part is that this is an all original and complete 09 never collision work,the car has no electrical problems people frequently asked me the cause of the salvage history I was told that the car was in a flood claim but there is no sign or smell of any water damage these cars are usually claimed thru insurance companies even for an open window and rain getting into it.the car had a new clutch, fabspeed exhaust, techart wheels and new tires only ran about 200 miles after installs. Car has the expensive option of carbon ceramic brakes, gt2 replica bucket seats and coil over suspensions.

I have a clear title with salvage history and it can be registered right away. This is a car for someone
Looking for a project and someone that knows the value of these Porshes the market value on the market for a car with these options are selling from 68-90 thousand. If you are looking for a perfect car
Then you should move on . I invite you to come and personally come inspect the car I do not have time to run around so if you need a ppi you need to arrange at your cost I will not howl the car to any dealer or shop you need to send the technician to my place. The car is been sold as is where it is

And there is no warranty you need to get your own car fax and do your own research . ”

[da Vinci Dan]

You know the drill. If your really interested, I would suggest a very thorough PPI from a well respected specialist. I would not feel comfortable taking any step without all possible information being gathered first.

I guess you could offer something super low expecting flood and associated electrical damage with the likelihood of needing a new engine and/or trans.

Big money and big gamble without the facts.

[zedsn]

Can you say can of worms.

[NYNick]

...besides the guy not being able to write a sentence?

I had an 09. The 09's are especially desirable because they are the last year of the Mezger engine...coupes are of course more money than cabs. The ceramics help value.

Having said that, holy bad description batman! This thing has red flags popping out of every orifice and the seller...well, let's just say he sounds somewhat uneducated about Porsches and grammar, spelling, punctuation etc.

If you're interested, I have a Master P tech nearby that would be the only one I would trust in evaluating this mess, if he's willing. At $47k though and a salvage title, I'm not sure it could stand big issues at that price.

[rickinlodi]

It’s worth far south of $47,000.


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[SalParadise]

My thoughts and they are from the Autocheck:

Odometer problem record
Rebuilt or rebuildable record
Salvage or salvage auction record
Water damaged record

Could it have any more issues? Like maybe Tornado record? Or End of The World record?

You have to be kidding me. My thoughts that if the car was flooded then the engine got flooded as well (I have seen this in a lot of cars - it's not just the body cavities that fill with water).

This car is probably worth $25K. It's a nightmare. There are no upsides to this car.

It would be for someone who bought it cheap, spent years going through the electrics, body, trans, engine and making sure the water didn't do irreversible damage to the innards - which it probably has. This guy has serious buyers remorse. This car had to be pawned from auction to auction to see any action.

What a nightmare. The reason he doesn't want to bring it to a specialist is because the specialist would tell him to write it off.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by NYNick

...besides the guy not being able to write a sentence?

I had an 09. The 09's are especially desirable because they are the last year of the Mezger engine...coupes are of course more money than cabs. The ceramics help value.

Having said that, holy bad description batman! This thing has red flags popping out of every orifice and the seller...well, let's just say he sounds somewhat uneducated about Porsches and grammar, spelling, punctuation etc.

If you're interested, I have a Master P tech nearby that would be the only one I would trust in evaluating this mess, if he's willing. At $47k though and a salvage title, I'm not sure it could stand big issues at that price.

I was thinking the same thing. The car, nor the seller’s language skills, seem to be salvageable. That was very hard to read, shame on their English teacher.

I wouldn’t touch this car with someone else’s money. Unless there was proof of why this car was salvaged, or any car for that matter, I wouldn’t ever consider purchasing it. Those that sell salvaged title cars without this are doing so for a very good reason, so stay away.

[specialtyoneinc]

Might be good for parts. At $25k you should be safe. If you can get the Mezger working correctly that is worth good money. Ceramic brakes are pricey if they aren't warped. Techart rims if original.

[matt930s]

Last of the Mezger’s (997.1) intrigued me. Agree, $25k offer to eat the downside. Could put the car on my lift and just stare at it..lol...

Wonder if the joker overfilled the oil (by a lot)?

Ad has over 30 watchers now. Pelican effect.

MattR

[Unobtanium-inc]

My guess would be he has had the specialist look at it and didn't like the answer, so he decides to sell it "as-is".
People generally don't lose thousands without spending a few hundred to diagnose a problem. This is the mentality of a riding lawnmower, not a fairly new Porsche.

---Adam

[75'930cab]

Looks like in picture 1 and 3 that the dash is removed above the gauges.

-Jason

[Ngrich99]

It was stolen out of TN in april of 2010 and recovered sept. 2010. Salavge for total theft of vehicle/flood/water/vandalism.. no major parts missing but damaged.
Sold at salvage auction in july 2011 to german's auto in in chandler NC.

[Catorce]

Really intriguing car. It's easily worth 40K just parted out. Do the math.

I have 2 997 turbos right now, so real experience here.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Catorce

Really intriguing car. It's easily worth 40K just parted out. Do the math.

I have 2 997 turbos right now, so real experience here.

Both of your 997s have been converted to submarines as well in your real experience? How did they hold up even after being vandalized and stolen after being U-Boated?

If the engine were completely filled with water and sat, not to mention the rest of the parts, it's still worth easily $40K?

Easily $40K when everything has been submerged. Interesting. Guess your math is much different that mine, as in your world 1+1=3.

[Catorce]

Submerged? Did I miss that part? Where does it say that. I thought it was a theft salvage.....

[JMS935]

It should have a rebuilt title if it was salvaged due to theft only. If the title wasn’t rebranded as rebuilt, and there are issues with it as there obviously are, then it could imply there were other factors that contributed to it being salvaged. Whether submerged or not, I agree with SalParadise from the perspective that you can’t simply assume that all of its parts are functioning properly and carry the same value as parts from a clear title car. Some of them may, but doubtful all would with the ongoing problems this car has.

Obviously the seller wants out because this car has persistent problems, which leads me to believe that there were other mitigating factors to salvage the car. A thief driving the car doesn’t cause lingering problems to a car. I still think the asking price is too high. I still wouldn’t touch it. Just my two cents...

[SalParadise]

My feeling is this.

Based on the market, for not much more than the guy is asking, you can buy a no-stories, non-salvage, non-flood, non-anything 911 977 regular (not turbo).

If you want a Turbo, it seems there are a rash of 2009 997 Turbo cabs for sale in the mid-$50K region to the $60K area - I know they are cabs but they have no stories, low mileage and run.

I believe what Catorce is probably getting to is that these cars had a very high sticker price that started at $140K and could very well go up into the $160-$170K region, which is a lot of money (especially since it was a year AFTER the economic meltdown) - and that an engine (working, not flooded) plus other items are probably worth $40K. But this stuff being in a flood - not $40K.

For a car that probably cost $150K new - $42K doesn't seem like a huge asking price, but I have to tell you that being a flood victim is going to make this one hard to own.

[LorenzoH]

“The first time the irresponsible buyer gave me a bs story”

Wonder why lol

Run from this thing as fast as you can. Seller sounds like a real piece of work, too.

[Mehoff]

Originally Posted by Catorce

Really intriguing car. It's easily worth 40K just parted out. Do the math.

I have 2 997 turbos right now, so real experience here.

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Both of your 997s have been converted to submarines as well in your real experience? How did they hold up even after being vandalized and stolen after being U-Boated?

If the engine were completely filled with water and sat, not to mention the rest of the parts, it's still worth easily $40K?

Easily $40K when everything has been submerged. Interesting. Guess your math is much different that mine, as in your world 1+1=3.

Think you both are actually in agreement, just using different assumptions.

It's probably worth $40k in parts if the motor checks out perfect and $25k in parts in the motor is less than perfect.