Classics Resue Dallas

Toast54 · 03-18-2018, 12:56 PM

Has anyone had dealings with these folks, good , bad or indifferent?

Munky King · 03-18-2018, 01:14 PM

I inquired if I could have a PPI run on one of their cars.
Waited and waited for some sort of response. Tried again and was told it was sold.
Some of the 911s they have there, were there when I started looking for a car last spring.

I got lucky and found a good project locally.

Toast54 · 03-18-2018, 01:24 PM

BHCC, Dallas branch?..the Qvale Mangusta is interesting AND fun to say

sigchuck · 03-18-2018, 06:06 PM

I’ve met and spoken with the owner. He has somewhat of a reputation online in every national, and several regional message boards. Notwithstanding all the stories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to do a deal, but he’s completely opposed to any offsite PPI which was a deal breaker for me.

Happy to share more via PM.

MadeofOak · 03-19-2018, 11:48 AM

The owner is as shady as they get. He is banned from every known website and this website itself blanks out his name. Geoff W H I T A K K E R and a few other known spellings of his name. Stay away!! or Jeff W h i t a k e r or Geoff W h i t a k e r

Sorry for spaces but like i said, if you type in his name it gets distorted for some reason.

sigchuck · 03-20-2018, 12:37 PM

Expanding on my earlier post, there are no shortage of bad reviews of the owner online, most from over 10 years ago. I found him to be professional, and while the lack of an offsite PPI was a deal breaker for me, I don't necessarily think it's unreasonable given the location of his warehouse (30 minutes east of Dallas) relative to area specialists (generally about 30 minutes west of Dallas), and given the current state of the Porsche market (why go to the trouble of spending the time to get a potential customer a PPI when you don't have to).

He had no issue allowing a mechanic onsite, but since I was primarily interested in compression and leak down numbers, this wouldn't have worked for me.

All that being said, I wouldn't hesitate to try to work with him again.

sigchuck · 03-21-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pmax

Yes, based solely on the good vibes you have gotten.

Have you actually bought a vehicle from this seller ?

I haven't bought from him, but I nearly have. I had the opportunity to inspect the vehicle personally, and he offered to let a mechanic of my choice come and check it out at his warehouse. As mentioned though, in my specific situation, this wouldn't work.

Considering the price and obvious appearance of some of his inventory (projects of one form or another), I'm not sure what a detailed PPI would accomplish. The car I was interested in wasn't a project, so I think circumstances were different. All I was concerned with was whether the car (a 3.2 with 100k miles) needed a top end job, which it probably did based on the fact it was a 3.2 with 100k miles. I wanted a compression and leakdown test to confirm, but this wasn't possible for a mechanic to do at his facility (would have needed to be taken offsite). The car was well priced for a dealer if it needed a top end job, and even with the additional $5k-$8k had it needed top end rebuild, still would have been a fair price. I just wasn't looking to buy a car that needed an immediate $5k-$8k in work, and who knows, maybe this one didn't.

sigchuck · 03-21-2018, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pmax

Did you ask to see the title ?

So, he's unwilling to make an effort for you to make the sale.

How's that a great seller to work with ?

I think one way to look at it is that "he's unwilling to make an effort", but the way I view it is that he doesn't have to "make an effort" given the prices of air-cooled 911s coupled with the fact he's a dealer with no emotional link to the vehicles.

I suspect a dealer's mindset would be similar to a three axis graph with profit, effort, and holding period. Maximize profit while minimizing effort and holding period. We don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

sigchuck · 03-21-2018, 09:32 AM

Is cross examination typical when attempting to offer assistance, or is this a sort of hazing reserved for new members?

dwelle · 06:15 PM

don't sweat it, that's just pmax. that's how he rolls. he probably thinks you're a shill for the shop in question.

i don't get that vibe at all. but he frequently does...

pmax · pmax's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigchuck

Is cross examination typical when attempting to offer assistance, or is this a sort of hazing reserved for new members?

That's as good an answer as any.

I'm done here.

trader220 · 03-21-2018, 04:36 PM

Selling used cars, whether they're Porsche or other classics is about the "turn". Three axis graph or not, if you're a dealer you want to get you money and hopefully profit out of one unit and into the next as quickly as possible.

I would also differ with your opinion about the state of the air cooled market. The markets not as hot as it was a couple years ago, so now you have cars that you have more capital tied up in then you did 5 or 6 years ago, they're not as hot at two years ago and its still going to take you time to move them and get your capital out. Why wouldn't you be as accommodating as you possibly could with a PPI? Either the seller is so lazy he does not feel like making a sale or he's perhaps hiding something?

There are so many cars on the markets these days, and so many more sellers than there were 5 to 8 years ago, why in the world would you even consider dealing with that seller given all the issues that were / are well documented on this board about him?

I have commented on a lot of really shady sellers over the years. One thing I typically said is this... if they have the exact example you want, go see the car. Don't trust anyone but your own eyes. Don't spend your money on a PPI until you see the thing in person. Even if they're one of the universally loathed dealers who have screwed people commonly, if they have the exact car you want, you can cut a deal, just make sure its never sight unseen.

Sigchuck.... I cannot see any reason, based on what you have posted here, as to why you would state this seller is "great to work with" ????

Additionally, what does the "price of an air cooled 911 these days" have to do with the effort and time it takes to sell one? Logic says that when these were $25k cars they were easier to sell vs. now that they're $50k cars. The price curve is elastic and you'll sell more cars at the lower end of the price curve. Basically just because the prices of these cars has moved up does not mean they're flying off the self. In fact an argument can easily be made for just the opposite. The higher the price the smaller the buyer pool and the more discriminating the buyers become.

sigchuck · 03-21-2018, 05:35 PM

Guys, I’m offering my legitimate impression of the seller. I’ve bought and sold a lot of cars (vast majority non-Porsche), and relative to some of the others I’ve worked with, I was happy. He was straight forward about the deficiencies that were externally obvious. Based on his facility, I have no reason to believe he was aware of (or hiding any) internal engine issues. Obviously, I have absolutely no way of knowing for sure. Based on what the mechanics I spoke with said, it’s pretty likely a 3.2 with 100k miles would need a top end job. Based on the price point, it still would have been a fair deal, just not the one I was looking for.

I went into the potential transaction with eyes open, not expecting to steal the car, and knowing a 35 year old car will have needs. I inspected the car in person and it was in no way misrepresented. Thus I came to the conclusion I may again in the future choose to do business with him. All I’m suggestimg is don’t let 10 year old reviews keep you from making a phone call.