also looking for a 964 and trying to understand the values, they are all over the place. The "2 sisters" one i was informed by a member on pelican that the owner wants $90,000 for it, i think he is quite the dreamer.

What's your thought process behind limiting the search to the 964 for the air cooled 911 experience ?

Yeah, that's a crazy price on that car. Best of luck finding yours.

I've looked at and driven SC's, G50 3.2's, 993's, and 964's. I like the 964 the best and to me, it's the perfect mix between old & new. By far my favorite.

That’s kind of funny to hear considering he gave the vibe of willing to make a deal if you buy both my cars from me. On a side note my friend sold 5 clean, slick top, C2’s to a single buyer for $500k

Well he did very well then - unless all five were RSA's...

I don't get the money that the 964 gets. I just do not. It's a test bed of things that Porsche needed and had to do for EPA and DOT. They had no money to fix the problems. They had no money to actually hone the car to where it could have been. It's a crapshoot really. As I have said to most people, when I toured the factory in '93 when they were rolling off the line the workers looked completely depressed and sullen. All they had were old refined waterpumpers - a 928, 968, and the aircooled patched up 964.

To each is own, but I would take a late '80s G-body any single day over a 964.

any bites yet?

to me personally, the 993 is the ultimate air cooled Porsche. Last and most refined, great cruiser and a fantastic driving machine if it needs to be. Agree with SalParadise that the 964 was only because they 'had to'

Hey you buy a 964 yet? from 2018, prices have gone up

Agreed! 964 is a heavy boat with a long stroke. I wouldn't own one, and sad to say I did and drove it for a year in 1998? Then again, if it were a 964 Turbo, I'd be all over it.

Old thread but I am surprised to hear you say that. I have both turbo and C2 and owned many earlier cars. Other than my 3.0RS tribute and maybe my 911E I never found the earlier cars worth much. Agreed in stock form the 964 is lacking but with some mods and suspension work IMO it is the best air-cooled made by Porsche. You couldn't get me back in an earlier 911 again. Just don't have the build and tub strength of a 964.

I own two G body 911s. So to be clear I’m not partial to 964 per say because I don’t even own one. But logic tells me there is a reason Singer uses 964 as donor cars....

Go to rennlist.com and to the 964 board, add a little more info about the car you will get much better opinions than some of those above.

Also remember that 964's were the aircooled equivalent of the 996's current valuation and could be picked up cheap for years. That, combined with a newer and stronger tub compared to the G body makes it an easy choice

My understanding was it had a lot to do with cost of the donors. At the time 964s were very cheap. The first two singers were g-body, g50s.

I'm sure you are correct. In 1998 I was much younger with limited resources. Bought the 91 964 for a million yen hit in left front pillar. It was then fairly late model and clean doctor's car, black, sunroof, 5 speed manual and 30 K on the clock (maybe 20 k miles). Repaired it myself and drove it for a year. I never then had any inclination on mods, never even crossed my mind. The only mod I did was put a 993 turbo wing on it which I got from M.A. Shaw. That was going on my RUF BTR or so I planned but I put it on that car temporarily, and yes, it looked like hell I always thought. Nor will it go on the BTR from now even though I still have it, sprayed black first, 99'sprayed yellow for the BTR when we did the whole car. Funny, during the time of the 964 repair, I had my guys here respray the whole car cause they did top paint work just to make it look right. It was a 3.5k job then (in house even at discount for me) but the shacho wanted a bottle of blue pills oh so desperately. He said, get me one and the paint job is free. Yeah, a 300 dollar paint job and that wasn't Earl Scheib stuff. It was gorgeous! Hence with my parts, I finished that car out at 1.6 million yen. I put the original lid/wing (also sprayed when we painted) back on before I sold it a year later. Say, you never heard back from those guys about which wing was possibly on my BTR III did you??

LOL Interesting story. No sorry had a covid scare here which has me all out of sync with the world. I will see them this week hopefully and report back.

Air-cooled experience is a personal thing and they are all good. I agree it took some time to get used to the weight going from a 2390 pound 275HP 911 to a 360 hp 3120 pound 964 turbo. Very different and initially I wasn't impressed with the 964 until I had a chance to get to know them better. With 15k track miles in a c2 under my belt I have learned to appreciate them a bit more. Each has its pros and cons. I prefer the modern eq and suspension of the later cars but for me the 993 goes too far and looses some of the analog feel of the trailing arm cars.

Quite impressive 15k track miles ...Wow! I have not even one myself, never been near a track yet in my life. I always thought the 993 was the ultimate air cooled, I guess because many people think so with the extra tech and latest this and that. Quick story on a non trailing arm 993 rear susp assembly that was shipped all over the world almost in vain!

In 1999 bought a 993 with 20k Km) hit dead center front street pole. At a million yen I decided to part it out because no title. Sent that complete rear assembly in a container to Chicago that was full of wrecked Lancer EVOs. My customer shipped it free to CA (friend's house). My friend David only got an offer of $1200. It was late model then so I said no way! A few years later his o'l lady got sick of it in the garage, so on a trip home I took it up to my o'l man's place in No. NV. Years later he got sick of it in his garage so I stuffed it in a crate going back to Japan with a wood splitter or a porsche motor or something. A couple years ago I sold it here on auction for $1500. The buyer was tickled pink! It didn't cost a dime to ship and any point in it's journey. Funny what one will do to get full value. I think over 20 years it went from late model to more desirable, or something like that. Had the internet been around then like it is now, I wouldn't have gone through the exercise. Still, it cost me nothing.

Well, truth be told, Rob's 1st singer, the prototype was a 1969 911t.

If only. I can't tell you how many nice enough 964's will become singers. There have been some rare colors gone as well including a cobalt :eek:

Happy Holidays everyone.

And at least one RS

Interesting to me is on donor cars Singer vs RUF. Ruf had their WO9 allotment tubs, thereafter they did full engine conversions on donor cars I believe WOP? Either company might consider cost to sales value on their product. Therefore, any donor car is irrelevant per year or grade, as long as it doesn't cost them anything. After all, when they be done with it, it's going to be a Singer or a RUF.

Ruf came first before Singer. I think that is what Ruf did. There were all kinds of Rufs. The one I got is an 89' ROW carrera cab. and became a BTR III.