"1 of 5 ever made"

[mgar88]

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/999559-1989-porsche-911-carrera-turbo-look-m491-carrera-manual-1-5-ever-made.html

This is in reference to the above listing. Apparently I cannot comment on the posting to ask the seller a question? Odd policy.

In any event, what do you think the seller means when they assert "1 of 5" ever made...

Also, while mileage does not appear to be disclosed, what do you all think of the asking $115k price tag for the M491 that has apparently been sitting for 20 years...?

[Matt Monson]

Reason you can’t comment is the responses here on cars for sale used to be worse than BaT. People were diiiiicccckkkksss! Just pm him your question.

I’m sure the M491 registry will have some mention of how many were made in 89. Though he should have back up to make a claim like that.

That car gives me a little wood. Not $115k worth but a little.

[SalParadise]

Guy is completely lying. I own #6.

[JMS935]

What they mean by the 1 of 5 and why it’s rare, is in what it’s missing - the whale tail. The wide body without the whale tail ordered with it is what makes this car rare. So yes 1 of 5 is a stretch, but it’s technically true (I’d bet), I know these guys. If Porsche told them it’s 1 of 5 M491’s ordered tail-less, then I believe it. But to me, I’d prefer the whale tail, and deleting an option like that doesn’t add value in my book. If I were in the market for an M491, I would actually pay less for one missing it’s factory spec’d whale tail. But that’s just me. Anyways, hope I cleared that up, as that’s what I think they mean by it. And I agree about the price, unless it’s got under 10k miles on it, I think it’s overpriced.

[SalParadise]

I think the owner who originally purchased it was very smart. I cannot stand whale tails, and this guy was way ahead on making a future hot rod. With that said, no way would I pay this much but I bet it's worth $75K. It would be a good value at that price. Any more and I would save my money for a 930.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

I think the owner who originally purchased it was very smart. I cannot stand whale tails, and this guy was way ahead on making a future hot rod. With that said, no way would I pay this much but I bet it's worth $75K. It would be a good value at that price. Any more and I would save my money for a 930.

SexySal, this is one thing you and I are polar opposites on; I think a widebody 911 looks straight up goofy/dumb without a tea tray, or at least a Carrera/whale tail if it is a non-intercooled turbo. I would not own/drive one that was tailless (easy fix, however). BUTT I would not own or drive a factory sheeper, anyway - even if it had a GT2 tail on that bisch!

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

SexySal, this is one thing you and I are polar opposites on; I think a widebody 911 looks straight up goofy/dumb without a tea tray, or at least a Carrera/whale tail if it is a non-intercooled turbo. I would not own/drive one that was tailless (easy fix, however).

I couldn’t agree more. Tailless version of a porsche 911 is like the ballless version of a dog. Just a wrinkled little flat pouch where testicles used to be

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I couldn’t agree more. Tailless version of a porsche 911 is like the ballless version of a dog. Just a wrinkled little flat pouch where testicles used to be

Yep! I see guys in the 911 tech section proudly posting pics of their cars after switching to a tailless engine lid, and think, "daayyuummmnnnn, you just made that bull into a steer - poor thing".

Butt that said, variety is a good thing (aka - some people like the rear of their 911s to look like squashed VW Bugs, and that's their perogative ).

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Yep! I see guys in the 911 tech section proudly posting pics of their cars after switching to a tailless engine lid, and think, "daayyuummmnnnn, you just made that bull into a steer - poor thing".

Butt that said, variety is a good thing (aka - some people like the rear of their 911s to look like squashed VW Bugs, and that's their perogative ).

Hmm...Maybe the M491’s shouldn’t have even had the option for the whale tail, since it’s virtually a castrated 930 as it is. The whale tail is required for the 930 due to the intercooler for the turbo, so a whale tail on an M491 is basically like it being an imposter. Maybe M491’s with the whale tail should be referred to as turbo imposter’s instead of turbo look. LOL

[matt930s]

Actually , that looks pretty sweet w/o the tail....

MattR

[kitesurfer2]

I agree, the SSE looks better without the inter-cooler tail.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Hmm...Maybe the M491’s shouldn’t have even had the option for the whale tail, since it’s virtually a castrated 930 as it is. The whale tail is required for the 930 due to the intercooler for the turbo, so a whale tail on an M491 is basically like it being an imposter. Maybe M491’s with the whale tail should be referred to as turbo imposter’s instead of turbo look. LOL

The whale tails origin isn’t associated to an intercooler that I’m aware of. The first production use of the whale tail was the 74 RS which was non-turbo then 75 turbo sans intercooler 75 carrera non-turbo., etc

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

I ASSumed that JMS was calling the tea tray tail a "whale tail" - lots of people confuse the unofficial names of those bisches, buttofcourse.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

The whale tails origin isn’t associated to an intercooler that I’m aware of. The first production use of the whale tail was the 74 RS which was non-turbo then 75 turbo sans intercooler 75 carrera non-turbo., etc

Good point. Very true. But the added room did become a necessity for the later intercooled cars, which makes you (or at least me) wonder was it originally introduced to help with the downforce, since they didn’t need the excess room it created in the engine bay.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by matt930s

Actually , that looks pretty sweet w/o the tail....

MattR

Originally Posted by kitesurfer2

I agree, the SSE looks better without the inter-cooler tail.

Two blind mice (that suck)!!!

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

I ASSumed that JMS was calling the tea tray tail a "whale tail" - lots of people confuse the unofficial names of those bisches, buttofcourse.

I was referring to the whale tail, since we were discussing this option code for the M491 that started this thread.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Good point. Very true. But the added room did become a necessity for the later intercooled cars, which makes you (or at least me) wonder was it originally introduced to help with the downforce, since they didn’t need the excess room it created in the engine bay.

You're talking about two totally different tails, but both reduce lift significantly (according to published Porsche factory test data) - the Turbo tea tray much more so than the wale tail, but both are far superior to the duck tail.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

You're talking about two totally different tails, but both reduce lift significantly (according to published Porsche factory test data) - the Turbo tea tray much more so than the wale tail, but both are far soperior to the duck tail.

I know they’re different, but thanks for answering the downforce question.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by JMS935

I was referring to the whale tail, since we were discussing this option code for the M491 that started this thread.

My mistake, sorry. The whale tail was not used with intercooled Turbos - just the tea tray.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

My mistake, sorry. The whale tail was not used with intercooled Turbos - just the tea tray.

I know. Tea tray with non intercooled turbos and whale tail with intercooled turbos. I wasn’t aware that the tea tray created more downforce though, so I wonder why they changed the design then. Unless creating maximum downforce wasn’t a top priority.