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Originally Posted by beepbeep
You know what is funny? We did not invent "a plan". We just followed the laid down pandemic plans that have been in place for years. The EU had a pandemic plan on how to deal with pandemics. We were just only EU state to follow it. Unsexy as it sounds, it is same old plan used with pandemics.
Seems some have seen "Outbreak" and taken it as gospel.
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Originally Posted by legion
We had them as well, and they were substantially similar to what Sweden did.
Instead we threw them all away, our governors made illegal proclamations left and right, and thousands of people died that ought not to have (and most of those weren't even from Coronavirus).
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Exactly. What is the most remarkable about Sweden's response is just how unremarkable it was - they stuck to a plan that was developed by experts in the field, developed quietly and deliberately long before any such plan was needed, as we would hope all such planning would be accomplished. And when the time came, when everyone else was in a panic, they had the resolve to stick with what they had agreed was best at a time when everyone was calm and level headed enough to have made objective, scientifically sound decisions.
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Originally Posted by Seahawk
Great perspective.
The numbers are still in question in the US. They were politicized from the beginning. The CDC has finally begun trying to unravel the mystery of who and what.
I also firmly believe that cross comparing countries and fatalities is only somewhat useful: Differences in culture, diet, age, drug use (legal and illegal), disease, hypertension, weight, etc. (could go on but the CDC does have a great list) make cross comparisons limited in strict relevance.
The "Models" were junk, mistakes were made, same as it ever was.
For some inexplicable reason, people think that the same type of bureaucrat that runs the DMV isn't in charge of the HHS and CDC.
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Yes, very politicized. Very much made in an effort to both instill, then take advantage of, panic. Made by politicians who claimed to be "following science" but were doing nothing of the kind. Our pandemic plans were immediately brushed aside and replaced by a willy nilly, almost completely arbitrary strategy of lockdowns meant to inflict as much hardship as possible. The most incredible example of this, here in Washington, remains our Governor's assertions that pot shops, of all things, could remain open as "essential business" while many medical facilities closed. He was clearly pandering to his base.
And, yes, country to country comparisons are almost completely invalid at this point in time. Just too many variables to take into account. Anyone who claims to know why one did better or worse than another is a fool.
Against that backdrop, however, we do see one outlier, one country that
did take a markedly different approach. Yet they achieved a remarkably similar result as other countries,
all of whom took pretty much the
same approach entailing lockdowns and other severe restrictions. We would expect the one that took the markedly different approach to have results that fall well outside of the range of those achieved by everyone else. We were
told, most emphatically, that they would.
And yet here we are. The "outlier" lies well within the range established by everyone else...