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Originally Posted by cstreit

I don't think that's up for debate RWebb... No one is aguring that change in the climate will cause change in the climate. However the debate? What is the cause?

Where the "climate change" lobby seems to fall short is this...

1. Any evidence that man is causing significant climate change. The earth goes through many temperature variations.
2. Constant discrediting because of faked results, massaged "estimates", and general lack of scientific method.
3. Consistent failure of predictions as well as using uninformed and unscientific poster children (ie Hollywood Actors) to constantly berate people with pseudo-facts to support the cause.

Frankly I'm not convinced because I see widespread fraud in the climate change camp, and I assume there's a reason for that fraudulent behavior.

Remember the holes in the ozone? Turned out that there were bigger ones in the past? Higher CO2 levels? Same thing...

Where you need to do some convincing is that this isn't just a blip in the radar of millions of years of earth history....

This. The 100-ish years of solid data that we have is laughably statistically insignificant compared to the total sample size, aka 4.5+ billion years of the earth. Now we have media panic because we have the coldest temperatures.......in the last 30 years. OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING! I know we are a society of instant gratification, but there was life on this planet prior to yesterday.

Originally Posted by kach22i

Those blips are also know as the mini ice age, ice ages, extinction events, and mass extinctions.

Somehow I'm not comforted nor filled with abandoned glee.

Hate to break it to you, but there's likely not a damn thing that you can do about it.