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FP, nobody sounds bitter here except you. Perhaps you're bitter and upset that people are calling (some, certainly not all) women out on the fact that they can be so callous and manipulative.

There are at least two sides to every story. For every guy that gets told "if you really loved me you'd marry me" there's an equally-valid (or invalid, depending) position being taken by a guy telling his girlfriend, "if you really love me it doesn't matter". At the end of the day, do what makes you happy. I just find it to be a real shame that marriage - which has been a cornerstone of many cultures and civilizations for centuries - has finally been undone to the point of being a completely unnecessary liability by our oh-so-enlightened political class. THEY have ruined it. That's the point. If you follow some of the suggestions I made earlier it wouldn't be such a horribly one-sided liability for men and maybe we could get back to a more traditional way of memorializing committed relationships (if we even need to have such a thing - we probably don't but it'd still kind of a nice thing to have looking back at past cultures and how they've historically celebrated such things as joyous occasions).

Final point: your assertion that somehow the blatantly mysandric family laws governing marriage, community property, divorce and separation are justifiable because "...for millennium [sic] they were stacked against women..." is total garbage. Why should today's men be punished for the sins of their forefathers? It's the same devoid-of-scholarship argument that's used by some blacks claiming that they're owed compensation because somewhere in their ancestry one or more of their great-to-the-nth-grand parents were treated badly by modern standards. While I'm just as abhorred by what people used to do and the fact that we used to look at slavery as acceptable behavior as the next guy, that is in no way a justification for a handout. The same thing goes for women in marriage situations - the laws governing money / property / child custody / support / alimony are knee-jerk overreactions to the past sins committed by a sexist culture which condoned abusive behavior. That culture has now gone away and is no longer defended by societal norms so the "guilty conscience" laws (enacted to pander to woman voters post-suffrage) should similarly be revised to reflect what's fair and appropriate considering the realities of TODAY (not 70+ years ago). Unfortunately those laws cannot and will not be changed (as I stated earlier) because no politician is going to alienate the "female vote" demographic by doing the right and fair thing and shutting off the gravy train and the easy path to "free" stuff. The lawmakers are simply reacting (by doing nothing) to the "gimmee gimmee gimmee" attitude on the part of women who want to sit around on their asses all day in a house they didn't earn instead of working.

In a similar vein, I wonder if years from now people will look back on current-day attitudes towards abortion and be as equally disgusted by it as we look back on slavery and are disgusted by it. I certainly hope so. You can respond with your characteristic distorted pseudo-facts and distractions now. I won't respond to them until tomorrow at the earliest as I actually have some work to do (you know, that thing that so many women can't comprehend since they're busy sitting around in a former spouse's house all day watching "Ellen" or "Oprah" talk about what victims they all are and how they have to stick together against the big mean evil white males of the world).