True market value

[tonypeoni]

For the past few months Ive been watching ended listings on ebay. What Ive found is that ebay listings are unreliable and all over the place. So Ill ask here, what is the market value of a 79 930 (Euro) showing 51k on the odometer. Car is completely original down to the original radio. On a scale of 1-4 the car is easily a 2. Car does not have a sunroof, guards red.

[Speedy Squirrel]

Nobody values are vehicle without pictures, so post up. Also, Euro cars are more valuable in the EU than in the USA, especially if they are more or less stock. There are really two markets in that regard.

[quattrorunner]

Every car is different. Thats why it's all over the place. Guys that want one of these will pay more, lots more for the one that tugs his heart string.

[tonypeoni]

Originally Posted by Speedy Squirrel

Nobody values are vehicle without pictures, so post up. Also, Euro cars are more valuable in the EU than in the USA, especially if they are more or less stock. There are really two markets in that regard.

Well here is with my Iphone. BTW the wipers are off to the body shop to be blasted and painted. Edit not sure if this adversely affect value but the car had a small fortune spent on a windows out bare metal repaint about 1 year ago. At that time the rubber body seals were replaced and so was the headliner. Both door pockets have been replaced with NOS the dash was recovered in leather as was the steering wheel.

[WPOZZZ]

That looks like a very nice car. Some people say a RoW car is worth about 25% less than a US car, but I like RoW cars. I sold my "last 50" 79 turbo for $33k back in 09 with 50k on it. I would say a similar car would run at least $40k, maybe up to $50k. It would probably sell somewhere around $43k. You can always ask a lot as it doesn't hurt to try.

[JFairman]

Looks like a real nice paint job. They didn't have automotive paint 30 years ago that is as good as the best stuff available from Germany or the USA today.

With the glass, doors, hoods, bumpers and trim removed, and fenders unbolted and moved a quarter inch away from the cowl edges the results can be better than origonal from the factory if it's all wet sanded and buffed out before putting it all back together.
The labor is intense and expensive when done well these days.

Your interior looks really good too. No swollen dash above the center AC duct and the instruments look like new. The headliner looks like new.
A lot of people prefer no sunroof for different reasons and one of them is the increased headroom which is good when wearing a helmet if you want to have fun on a track. The car is lighter too.

It looks like a rubber gasket was out of place when the left front headlight was installed. You can remove the screw on the bottom of the headlight ring and tuck that back in easily. I would put a little masking tape over the paint around the ring and screw area first to protect the paint just in case the screwdriver slips or something.

I don't know what the car is worth these days but I think it's going to be a lot if you sell it. The value will continue to increase in the future.
Hopefully you keep it and enjoy it.

[klefroid]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

That looks like a very nice car. Some people say a RoW car is worth about 25% less than a US car, but I like RoW cars. I sold my "last 50" 79 turbo for $33k back in 09 with 50k on it. I would say a similar car would run at least $40k, maybe up to $50k. It would probably sell somewhere around $43k. You can always ask a lot as it doesn't hurt to try.

In europe a US car is worth less then a RoW.

[RarlyL8]

I cannot fathom why a Euro would be less valuable than a US; simply stupid. I've owned 2 Euros and much prefer them over the god awful bloated smogged US versions. They may be the best kept secret going if you are a true enthusiast.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by RarlyL8

I cannot fathom why a Euro would be less valuable than a US; simply stupid. I've owned 2 Euros and much prefer them over the god awful bloated smogged US versions. They may be the best kept secret going if you are a true enthusiast.

The lower valuation of a RoW has me befuddled as well, but IIRC Bruce Anderson and Randy Leffingwell both said so. The reasoning behind their lower valuation had to do with lack of records from Europe and how they are rode hard and put up wet so they were susceptible to rust. Also, Federalization at that time varied from importer to importer so one car could fully comply with EPA/DOT, while others barely passed.

My first Porsche was a 85 RoW cab and I loved that car! More hp, LSD and a tranny cooler. I would buy a RoW turbo anyday.

[JFairman]

I much prefer the european Porsche's and BMW's too. In all respects.

[klefroid]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

The lower valuation of a RoW has me befuddled as well, but IIRC Bruce Anderson and Randy Leffingwell both said so. The reasoning behind their lower valuation had to do with lack of records from Europe and how they are rode hard and put up wet so they were susceptible to rust. Also, Federalization at that time varied from importer to importer so one car could fully comply with EPA/DOT, while others barely passed.

My first Porsche was a 85 RoW cab and I loved that car! More hp, LSD and a tranny cooler. I would buy a RoW turbo anyday.

If your talking about a beetle you might be right. Most Porsche's are sleeping in the garage over winter. Some of them never felt rain.
If it's to dry then you have dry rubbers and gaskets...
To be honest, RoW, us ,japan ... I just like them all! just delete the smog thing :-)

[Speedy Squirrel]

Very nice, no engine compartment pics though. Assuming all is well back there, and the tires and brakes are good, I would ask 39K, and probably expect 36 to 38 K. I base that on the most recent Excellence range.

You can probably expect some Euro bidders if it is a Euro car (not RoW car). Be sure you have the money before the car leaves the States.

Euro cars go for less because, they have iffy histories (unknown number of owners, maintenance unknown), or because they have iffy papers (sneeked in from Canada, lost DOT paperwork), or because the conversions were not too robust. This causes the following problems:

1. Difficulty getting a title, or transferring a title in certain states.
2. Passing emissions inspection in states that require it.

[oilonly]

Would really need a driver side seat picture and some closer interior pictures plus an engine bay photo to make a close guess. If driver seat is bad plus unkept engine bay I would value at easy 35k sale, 40k maybe with time. If engine bay is sweet and driver side seat is excellent add 3 grand. JMHO

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by RarlyL8

I cannot fathom why a Euro would be less valuable than a US; simply stupid. I've owned 2 Euros and much prefer them over the god awful bloated smogged US versions. They may be the best kept secret going if you are a true enthusiast.

I agree, if done well yes, however many were cobbled together to get a good title back then and many things done to pass EPA resulted in engine failure or compromised the longevity. After all if the Porsche engineers could not get it to pass with good performance how could the some shops turn them out? I agree if a ROW that was snuk in without the DOT mods and EPA alterations it is every bit as desirable as a US speck one but some were really butchered back then and gave the ROW ones a bad name. So get the good ones before the others catch on.
Good things may come to those who wait, but only those things left by those who hustle. Quote from Redline.

[tonypeoni]

Euro 930/ US 930 this is now 30 years on. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. All matters will have been sorted by now. Euro 930 has 300 HP US has 280 HP. This only comes to play in states that emission test like California.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by tonypeoni

Euro 930/ US 930 this is now 30 years on. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. All matters will have been sorted by now. Euro 930 has 300 HP US has 280 HP. This only comes to play in states that emission test like California.

US cars get more HP without the restrictive exhaust system so yes either one if in comparable condition. Your car looks like a very nice one with excellent options so I would guess yours is easily worth well over $40K.

[tonypeoni]

Ill be the first to admit I doubt my car would ever pass a California emissions test. Ive heard stories about people having to lean a car out so bad it wouldn't run right. Also changing tires to a ridicules one just to pass a emissions test!!

[RarlyL8]

Every car is different. Here is an example that may have use for you. A friend of mine recently purchased mid '80s Euro 930 identical to the white/navy '81 that I just sold; could have been it's clone. His however was a survivor like yours with low miles and bone stock in pristine condition.
Purchased for $50K.

[Miguel Antonett]

FWIW... It depends on the car. I'd say from $25K - fair condition - to $???. I would consider offers over $50K.