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Still looking, but I have yet to find a period article (R&T, C&D, etc.) that refers to post-1986, 911 Turbos as 930ís. Anyone?
To not use the "930" name would simply have been a matter of choice for an automotive journalist as even the post 1986 Turbos have the 930 designation in their VINs.
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Being an owner of a fairly rare color '79 model, I am rooting for a huge auction price for that '78 Green Machine on the bay.

Naturally I am partial to the earlier 3.3s for the aforementioned full floating 917 brakes (Sorry Paulie), which seem to have the most expensive OE rotors of any Porsche up to '89...not to mention the lack of footwell blower fans, or powered/heated seats, or factory alarms, or CIS emission control "computer" under the front seat, or the famous annoying and expensive square yellow overboost relay.

Now, as to how they drive...I have driven a few '79s, and a few later models ('86 and '87). The thing I will say is that every single one of them felt different. I'm not going to say this one is better than that one...I just have found that each individual 930 seems to have its own character. Some of this is due to modifications in equipment and set-up that are unavoidable with cars that are 30 years old (or approaching), and some of it I think is just old Porsche voodoo, or a function of fairly small batch production by hand.
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You mean to say that the 80 on up turbos did not suffer from lag? I find that hard to believe. Even my 94 with modifications suffers from some off the line.

You can't compare the turbo Carrera, what was essentially a blown widebody SC to the 930. The brakes were pathetic on the SC and other than the S calipers didn't offer much over an SC other than less unsprung weight. I had the same brake setup on my 74 RS clone and I cooked them every time at LRP back in the 80's and that weighed far less.

I don't believe i am incorrect in saying that most of the issues with the US 78-79 turbos was related to the extra US emissions and less hp compared to the ROW cars. The ROW 79 turbo I brought over in the 80's during the gray market was nearly identical feel to any later stock 930 except the G50 cars I had driven. In all cases they suffered from lag and had undersized brakes. Essentially the 964 uses identical pads and pistons Adequate yes but not overly confidence inspiring when coming off full boost in an Oh ***** situation.

Not trying too bash these cars they were a hoot to drive and you have to have full respect for a 930 to own one. However the increase in market value has little to do with driveability, fun or just about anything we drive our cars for. It is becoming all about numbers and rare sells best.

Honestly I liked it better when my turbo wasn't worth much.
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To not use the "930" name would simply have been a matter of choice for an automotive journalist as even the post 1986 Turbos have the 930 designation in their VINs.
930 was always an internal designation growing up with these cars only the Porschefile would call it a 930 and all the dealerships and rags would call it a 911 trubo. Just like many call the 964 turbo a 965 in the US and a C2 turbo in many other countries. In either case it is a 964 turbo vs a 911 turbo.

First mistake I made when looking for cars in the 80's during the grey market I made was asking around for a 930 and having everyone look at me like i had two heads.
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Honestly I liked it better when my turbo wasn't worth much.
^as valuable as your 3.6 seems to be (lovely car BTW, saw it in person at one of the Chatham Cars 'n Coffee events), I'd probably feel the same as you.

Maybe time to cash out? Buy a 997tt as a "beater" and pocket the excess...I'll surely be tempted if the '79 prices bear out the same way.
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^as valuable as your 3.6 seems to be (lovely car BTW, saw it in person at one of the Chatham Cars 'n Coffee events), I'd probably feel the same as you.

Maybe time to cash out? Buy a 997tt as a "beater" and pocket the excess...I'll surely be tempted if the '79 prices bear out the same way.
I am having a hard time considering selling. I didn't buy it as an investment. Always loved the 930's and the widebody look the 964 just took it a step further for me. The biggest seller was the 5 speed which made a huge difference over the 4 speed. Even I find it hard to believe that I paid less for my 3.6 than the green machine on ebay but that is where things are heading.

I have no doubt the 930 market is heading upward although at this time it is all about the right cars. These can be low mileage pristine examples, unique color, or custom optioned cars. All of the above would send it through the roof. You have already seen it with some of the ultra rare colors, low mileage examples and rare turbo S or 5 speed cars.

All this value increase crap is taking the sport out of the hobby and making it a business. Other down side is I keep on having to adjust my insurance premiums so I can drive it less??? I haven't been temped yet although I am sure that day will come. For nowI plan on attending far more C&C this year now that my garage is done although right now it looks like forums till June until they fix these roads. We might as well show them off it forces me to drive it more than I would
normally.

Hope to see you around once these roads are fixed.
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This Car must have been stuffed with cold og cocaine at this price :-)

It went for $60.200 according to the ad

Someone must know more than us on this deal :-)

Yes, markert has changed, we know that, but still...
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That colour is probably the best on a 930.

I don't either like the way prices are going, and I'm surprised so many owners on here keep cheering them on.

Price goes up -> cost of ownership goes up. Second hand parts also are seeing quite an upswing and the more these cars go up in value the more people will want to keep them original so the modded scene will eventually die.

Companies will sell less and less of bespoke parts and will eventually stop making them.

People on average to moderate incomes will be priced out of ownership.

Yeah sure, sell it and make a profit but you'll struggle to replace it with anything as iconic as a 930

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Good point.
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That colour is probably the best on a 930.
Well, only if one is partial to puke-green.

And Fred, no offence intended, but the dooms-day point you make is a fine example of the idea that "you can't please all of the people all of the time". In other words, no-mater the situation, someone is always going to find fault with how things are.

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IMO...who cares (well at least for me) how high 930's fetch for. If mine becomes worth much hiigher I will still drive it as usual...not let it become a garage queen. Yes, I'll have to pay a little more for higher agreed value insurance.

Let the 930 speculators pay whatever amount they think it's worth. They are the minority (including those who only considers low mileage 100% stock car).
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Like I said in another thread, 5 years ago people were trying to unload their "unwanted" 100k mile drivers in PM's to me for sub-$20k when I mentioned I wanted a 930.

Something has changed since then for sure.
5 years ago people had lost their jobs and needed $$. had a friend around here that unloaded his for less than half what he had in it, i think it was rightg around 20k or so.

after spending nearly a year looking for a 930, just bought one a year ago in fact, i was getting frustrated at seeing a LOT of cars going to brokers and dealers picking them up for sub 30s and then jacking the price up to 40k+. i saw where a dealer picked up a 78 for 28k then listed it for 39k. also saw one listed at 29k then the broker listed the car at 39k.
i think all these hi prices have caught on. with no other cars to buy but the hi priced ones, the prices have been driven up.
i just saw an 80 with 100k on it listed for 46k. it sold but i dont know what for.
that would have been a 28k car a year ago, if that.
there was one on ebay that sold for 100k with 46k miles on it, and it needed paint/work.
i paid 36k for an 86 with 42k miles last year. maybe i got in just before the price hike.
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"project car" is just someone else's headache to unload on the unsuspecting buyer.

My opinion...buying ANY used Porsche that's not turn-key, run like hell.
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IMO...who cares (well at least for me) how high 930's fetch for. If mine becomes worth much hiigher I will still drive it as usual...not let it become a garage queen. Yes, I'll have to pay a little more for higher agreed value insurance.

Let the 930 speculators pay whatever amount they think it's worth. They are the minority (including those who only considers low mileage 100% stock car).
"including those who only considers low mileage 100% stock car"

Those 100% stock vehicles are the ones which fetch the highest prices, and rightfully so. The market drives the value of the car, not the individual preference.
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A few months ago I commented that I wasn't worried about having more invested in my car than it is worth. Now I'm worried about maintenance/replacement costs and insurance costs pricing me out of my own car.

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I feel ya Rahl, I also have aways said I would never have a car worth that much money sitting in the garage. It may be time to sell.
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^^^ Some of you actualyl "worry" about the value of your car (that it is worth too much)? WOW, I never would have thought that was something that anyone would consider worrisome.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing that prices are going up. For me, if something gets to be worth so much that I can no longer enjoy it, it's time it go's. I must also say that there is not a for sale sign on the car, yet.
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I'm not worried about the value of the 930s going up...obviously that is a good thing as an investment. I'm worried that for me personally it my become impractical for me to continue owning this car in the long run.

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I'm not worried about the value of the 930s going up...obviously that is a good thing as an investment. I'm worried that for me personally it my become impractical for me to continue owning this car in the long run.

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