Jeff,

The TK longneck is a very nice piece especially anodized black IMO. Retains stock look. I live in lower Westchester close to 287 if you want to see it in person. I've also recently done most of what you are contemplating and am happy to chat about my little project.

And a big +1 to Minerva Blue turbos…really unbelievable color.

Jeff-

I'd address optimizing / preserving what power you have now before adding more, which helps avoid the fuel issue as well for the time being.

I'd score an exhaust and intercooler first - those will have tangible effects and are low effort / nominal cost (if you do it right). If $ not an issue, do the headers @ same time.

I'd be all over Brian's headers if you can, and if he's successfully resolved the heat issue (which I believe he has). You think OE heat is marginal? Something's not right w/yer system then... should be able to fry an egg (and yer brain) in the interior with Hades-esque blazing inferno heat 8-).

Then move to add a turbo later.

Just the exhaust will give you a good increase. As does the intercooler.

For reference, running .77bar and Brian's exhaust I put down 245whp/276wtq on a Mustang dyno. Here's my before / after charts later running .84bar, Brian's exhaust, Garretson shortneck, and round K&N filter - added 40rwhp over stock:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1301598690.jpg

Then you can adapt to the newfound awesomeness / power, and start planning your next moves regarding a new turbo, cams, etc. and the related fueling.

Just a thought.

Good luck, and as Jake noted... beware the vertical "slope" muwahahahaaa.

Scour the classifieds, there's often some choice bits there @ very attractive pricing... just gotta be hellaquick (which means being on them nearly 24/7 as the best deals literally last minutes).

Looking forward to your progress... and to hopefully meeting @ July's turboPALOOZ'er!

Gotta love the spread here:

You have this
Or this
Step 1 - decide whether this is your car to enjoy as you see fit or it belongs to the next owner and you want to maximize resale/collector market value.

If the latter...I say don't touch a fookin thing.

Technically bolt-ons are reversible, but as a practical matter you're probably not going back once you start down the slope. Even an AFR gauge will likely be viewed by a purist as a "tuner" device, leaving them thinking "what have you been up to with this car besides polishing it with a diaper?"

And while we're on the subject of "bolt-ons" - pretty much anything short of cutting metal is technically reversible, and even cutting metal is reversible (but not cheaply or easily). So really, an EFI conversion is a bolt-on, as are cams. Just sayin'

Keeping it close to stock, not bone stock, just close has nothing to do with satisfying the next owner. I just think these cars are better (and more valuable) in a near stock configuration, ie boltons only. The OP has a very nice stock example, I certainly wouldn't convert it into some frankenturbo, just warm it up a bit.
If you really want to go fast, buy my 600hp stage 2 997tt, it's fs;)

I definitely do not want a frankenturbo. I am looking for some more power without radically changing the car. I am thinking of taking Paul's idea and putting on just headers, muffler and IC and seeing what happens. Turbo and the associated fuel issues can come after, or not at all if I am happy with it the way it is. However, I do want to have some sort of plan for pieces and parts so that I dont end up with said frankenturbo.

While I am certain I would love a stage 2 997tt, it is not in my budget, nor do I want to give up my 930. Brute power isn't my end game here, just more fun factor in an iconic car.

thanks for the input!

Here's our take on making them work super efficiently, eliminating boost creep and enhancing spool:
make them true twin scroll with a fully divided flange, twin 'gates, twin scroll turbine housing (this one features Garrett's new niresist-alloy housing).
Plus really good heat exchangers.

A little overkill for what you've describing wanting, but maybe useful info for others.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1397763315.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1397763333.jpg


Concerning upgrading your engine in steps like that -- not a problem. All gains from increased efficiency, no jump in boost.

And no matter what turbocharger you choose, nearly any other unit is an improvement of the obsolete 3LDZ turbo! :-)

My cousin lives in White Plains. Exit 6 off 287... I would love to see your baby and chat about it, getting first hand opinions on what I am looking to do. This weekend is shot, but we definitely should meet up.

That is some beautiful work there Chris. We definitely need to talk!

Thank you! :-)
That's for a 1986-88, staying 3.3L CIS with mostly stock heads, 964 cams, and an Andial/Garretson longneck intercooler.

Jeff,

Happy to meet up. Send me a PM with your email / phone #. Maybe we can meet up in the next few weeks.

guys

let's get one thing straight here

unless I'm mistaken, this thread is literally called The "Let's upgrade Jeff NJ's car" thread

not

The "Let's convince Jeff to keep his car stock due to rising values" thread

no offense to those in 'that' camp / just sayin

that said

dudes

bolt ons = eassssily reversed

heck

I could reverse nearly all of mine (had I not sold off alllllllllllll of my bits hahahahaha) - but - that'd just be DUMB (mygawwwd do stock cars simply blow to drive... sorry)

go nuts, Jeff... you clearly bought the car to enjoy it (as you damn well should, yeah)... not as a trophypiece investment

not to mention, as I've noted manymany times before

I sold my modded car for more than I'd paid for it years prior and the mods were a non issue regarding sale - geesh guys lighten up a bit :cool:

OH YA !
+1

Kozmo

Jeff, I see you took it to PowerTech. Good experience?

You crack me up Paul! I expected a debate, and I am happy to discuss it with anyone willing to be an adult about it and truly, everyone here has been, so it really is all good. Obviously with these cars, a debate is warranted, but like you said, it is my car and I want to play with it! Not going to go nuts, but definitely want to mess with it to the detriment of my bank account.

You are right about me buying it to enjoy it. I didn't buy it as an investment, but if it ends up appreciating while I use it, good for me, if not, thats fine too. I wanted a 930 since I was 12, recently went through a rough divorce, and knew I couldn't buy one until it was through, so the divorce was finalized in August, and a 930 in my garage in November. My toy for me and I will do what I want with it because I have learned (the hard way) that withholding enjoyment now for possible payoff later is a bad way to go through life. Life has a funny way of not turning out like you thought, so I (as much as is prudent), now live in the present. This car is just one way that I am now expressing that newfound opinion.

Modding away, with a big smile on my face... :D

PS - my spell check has no idea what to do with your post! LOL

Hey John!

Good eye on the license plate frames. Comically, I didn't even notice they put them on until two weeks after service was completed!

Yes, very happy. They couldn't match the price for the tires from the internet (not even close), so they simply said, "you get the tires, we'll put them on, no problem". They did everything I asked and were very helpful going through what was done and offered suggestions for future maintenance, upgrades, etc.

Definitely going to continue being a client of theirs.

We have to meet up for that beer we talked about a few months ago before the worst winter ever settled in.

Jeff I'm in Rockland Co. Just over the Jersey border if you want to meet up and take my car for a blast to see if bolt on's make much of a difference from stock,you are more then welcome to come and try it out.

How can I refuse that offer?? Some great driving roads up there...
Before I do, do they make a difference? :)

Jeff, we are two peas in a pod! This car started out exactly as your 930 for the exact same reasons. I purchased it 1 year out from a divorce as a present to 'me'! People seriously questioned why I would mod it (much less to the 8.5 sec. 160 mph 1/4 mile car it is now). I simply look at them and, as you describe, say this is how I want it and makes me smile every time!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps54b9bec7.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps5b36dcae.jpg

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My 930 was my father's and is the car that lead to the one above (and all my other speed-fix cars). Mine will stay stock but only because I want to preserve the one family, stock lineage. Otherwise, I'd be considering ALL of your mods. ;)

Here's dad back in the day....

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e.../IMG950191.jpg

And the car today...

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...i/IMG_0159.jpg

You name the time / place. I'm there SmileWavy

John, You HAVE to take me out for a spin in that Vette! So awesome.

I totally appreciate your thoughts as to why to keep your 930 stock and it's really cool having the family lineage. Plus, it's your car, so you do as you want with it.

I think that there are many middle aged guys, recently divorced, that buy a fast toy. I'm happy to be one of them!

On NYE 2012, I declared to all my friends that 2013 was going to be the "Year of Jeff". They thought I was an idiot. I then followed through with it and capped off the year with the 930 purchase so well that this past NYE, I declared a 1yr extension to the year of Jeff! So fun!