Why are the bone-stock 930's commanding ungodly prices?
 

That seems to be the trend, or has it always been that way?

Peoples preferred a virgin over heavily touched sample. My guess. :-)

It's interesting that no one (well, few anyway) ask this question of a `70 Hemi Cuda versus a resto-mod version of the very same car.

I've modded my 930 and fully expect to get less out of it, when and if I sell it, primarily because it's different than what the engineers originally designed and the craftsmen originally assembled.

It's always been that way with Porsche's and other collector cars.

There are exceptions when a nicely modified car is what an enthusiast would rather have though.

You just can't beat the real thing.

stock 930 sucks just like all bone-stock sports cars from that era, with all of the crap emissions equipment. the only people overpaying for these are looking for garage queens or are speculating on the 930 market.

when buying 3 years ago I wanted stock because:

1. I wanted to be able to have it run and work on it when it didnt with factory books and manuals. Even with Bentley you have to read and translate to 930 engine and trans half the time and I'm not smart enough to add in 5 more non stock variables when troubleshooting.

2. If top performance was my #1 goal i would not have bought a 930, or any air cooled.

3. I figured modded= stressed and there are VERY few that are and have always been stock with records to back it up. I didn't consider "back to stock" the same as always stock.

4. Bone stock also tends to be lower miles, less enjoyed and yes, maybe somebody elses garage queen.

5. I started looking at modded ones because stock was harder to find, but there are so many different options each car was apples to oranges comparison with what was modded, quality of the equipment, quality of installation all of which I had to see in person. stock is stock.

Now that i know the car much better I love stock but am much more open to mods on my next one.




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I take it you've never driven one with an additional 75-100 RWHP or more or with a turbocharger that lights early - night and day improvement over the original.

++1 for sure!

I haven't so please keep upgrading yours y'all so I have a better selection when the time comes!




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I'm about to do those traditional mods folks talk about. B&B Headers, K27 turbo, BL Wur and long neck intercooler.
I'm hoping that will wake her up a bit.

O yea, they get better . The factory had limits for production cars. Once psychedelicized, even more amazing...... Ride on.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416446883.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416447072.jpg
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I'm guessing you don't have one of the first 400 built?

Opps missed the bottom of the red TT and mngt system. If a 100 extra HP is nice why not a couple of hundred more? .http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416447600.jpg
Perfect 38K mile original interior enhanced with the brain.
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Nope, and if I did, I would mod the hell out of it.

After that comment. That red one came from Texas Now I know why it is what it is. Here is a dyno sheet from before we enlarged the fuel delivery capability. Was running lean so had to shut it down. I'd sell most of my stock ones to keep these.:)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1416448388.jpg

Always nice to find one already built, that an enthustiast < with deep pockets > paid for, wait over. Bought it instead of a stock one and no regrets.:D

You know why bone stock collector cars command the highest prices, because they are unmolested and unused. May as well have the wooden engine that came in the prototype Porsche put on display. That car is likely THE most valuable 930 on the planet.

Now can we PLEASE get back to the tech forum and move this jibberish to the collectors forum?

Matt ^nailed it^ IMO - well said brohammage...

Mine was one of those bonestock 39k miler's.

Was.

Muwhahahaaaa...

ps. Matt, the only flaw in yer logic I see is - my car is now measurably (by orders of friggin magnitude) less complicated to troubleshoot now... fukkyeah.

[QUOTE=RarlyL8;8361523]You know why bone stock collector cars command the highest prices, because they are unmolested and unused. May as well have the wooden engine that came in the prototype Porsche put on display.

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The price are going crazy for stock ones even here in Canada also.
For the first times 3-4 ads saying that they are buying 930 or aircooled porsche for good money.
There's a 1985 for 6 figures.

Just glad I bought in 2012 mine to mod the freaking **** out of it even if I'm too poor right now ;)

Criss this is what I did with my car along with removing all of the smog equipment Huge difference in performance. I put all the old parts in boxes in the attic If I ever do decide to sell which I doubt but you never know I will just replace all of the stock parts again

no when i was looking for one i wanted close to original because hopefully it has not been road hard and put away wet. what do you think would be a more reliable car. one that is stock and the motor has not been stressed or one that has been run at 1-1.2bar, lord only knows what the AFR's have been and timing has been set to and probably has been tracked.

mine has the things i wanted, extra oil coolers, bigger IC, bigger turbo very nice wheels 42k miles, original paint but unfortunately the one thing i did NOT want. a variable boost knob. (dial-o-death).

A stock 930 came with more horsepower than the newest stock Cayman (maybe not too much longer) so it's a false premise to say keep it stock OR enjoy it.

and while I enjoy it I keep watching the countdown. . . Heh Heh Heh

and Paul, make sure you're polishing it every night. (the car I mean!)

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I think this is what the engineers originally designed, and its not what was ultimately marketed to the "masses"
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^a real one of these is worth more than a bone stock 930 too.

one that's been driven.. not left in a garage for the seals to rot

Maybe, but my Lord, what an ugly beast that is.

Modded ones work sooooooo much nicer. And are sooooooo much more fun to drive, I would never go back to stock. I've kept every piece I took off or changed, though. Just in case I don't pass it on to my son...

ha! Yeah, if only. I've - quite literally - washed it... once in July after I got it back together... and... once May '13 when it came off the truck when I bought it back

clean cars... not my baaaag, baaaaaaaaaby.

ROFLMAO @ yer chart btw - hellhairyass (great to hear from you again btw, been awhile)

Ugh... 934 pic = JIMP!!!

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...personally I love the look of the 934....so raw and purposeful looking....so much character...

Oh ya.

Had to chime in....

I am in the camp that someone has to preserve the stock car and keep it in the eyes of the collector/preserver/enthusiast . I drove one of these back in 86 and wanted that experience again. These stock cars have great character in my view, and I enjoy driving/showing my car to folks that appreciate what it represented back in the day.

My car is a trailer queen to most , but a time warp to me with just 5k miles in as new condition, most of all its the way I want it.

Exactly my plan!

Me too!

I am currenly stockpiling the following parts for my winter project:

Wevo short shift kit - already installed
B&B muffler - already installed
K27HFS - in my garage
BL WUR - in my garage
Wideband AFR gauge / boost gauge - in my garage
Turbokraft longneck IC - on order
Rarlyl8 headers - on order
Tial WG - undecided...
MSD6AL - undecided...

I'm keeping all the original parts just in case, although I am quite certain they will never be back on my car while I own it.

^and that's what matters.

Yeah Im a stocker fanatic, down to the radio and wheel locks.. I love presenting my cars as if they just left the factory..That's my thing, and it's the way I like it. ///Criss I'm sure we can still be friends...;)

Hahahaa

Factory schmactory. Do what you like!!!! I prefer stock plus.

^^^^^Plus a lot more horsepower!
There is no better car in my opinion than a modified 930.
Stock Porsche's are fine for some.....just not for me.


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I still have my wheel locks...it's the rest that's not...:D