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Question Why are the bone-stock 930's commanding ungodly prices?

That seems to be the trend, or has it always been that way?

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Peoples preferred a virgin over heavily touched sample. My guess. :-)
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It's interesting that no one (well, few anyway) ask this question of a `70 Hemi Cuda versus a resto-mod version of the very same car.

I've modded my 930 and fully expect to get less out of it, when and if I sell it, primarily because it's different than what the engineers originally designed and the craftsmen originally assembled.
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That seems to be the trend, or has it always been that way?
It's always been that way with Porsche's and other collector cars.

There are exceptions when a nicely modified car is what an enthusiast would rather have though.
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You just can't beat the real thing.
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stock 930 sucks just like all bone-stock sports cars from that era, with all of the crap emissions equipment. the only people overpaying for these are looking for garage queens or are speculating on the 930 market.

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when buying 3 years ago I wanted stock because:

1. I wanted to be able to have it run and work on it when it didnt with factory books and manuals. Even with Bentley you have to read and translate to 930 engine and trans half the time and I'm not smart enough to add in 5 more non stock variables when troubleshooting.

2. If top performance was my #1 goal i would not have bought a 930, or any air cooled.

3. I figured modded= stressed and there are VERY few that are and have always been stock with records to back it up. I didn't consider "back to stock" the same as always stock.

4. Bone stock also tends to be lower miles, less enjoyed and yes, maybe somebody elses garage queen.

5. I started looking at modded ones because stock was harder to find, but there are so many different options each car was apples to oranges comparison with what was modded, quality of the equipment, quality of installation all of which I had to see in person. stock is stock.

Now that i know the car much better I love stock but am much more open to mods on my next one.




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You just can't beat the real thing.
I take it you've never driven one with an additional 75-100 RWHP or more or with a turbocharger that lights early - night and day improvement over the original.
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I take it you've never driven one with an additional 75-100 RWHP or more or with a turbocharger that lights early - night and day improvement over the original.
++1 for sure!
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I haven't so please keep upgrading yours y'all so I have a better selection when the time comes!




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I'm about to do those traditional mods folks talk about. B&B Headers, K27 turbo, BL Wur and long neck intercooler.
I'm hoping that will wake her up a bit.
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I take it you've never driven one with an additional 75-100 RWHP or more or with a turbocharger that lights early - night and day improvement over the original.
I'm guessing you don't have one of the first 400 built?
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Opps missed the bottom of the red TT and mngt system. If a 100 extra HP is nice why not a couple of hundred more? .
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I'm guessing you don't have one of the first 400 built?
Nope, and if I did, I would mod the hell out of it.
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After that comment. That red one came from Texas Now I know why it is what it is. Here is a dyno sheet from before we enlarged the fuel delivery capability. Was running lean so had to shut it down. I'd sell most of my stock ones to keep these.
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It's always been that way with Porsche's and other collector cars.

There are exceptions when a nicely modified car is what an enthusiast< > would rather have though.
Always nice to find one already built, that an enthustiast < with deep pockets > paid for, wait over. Bought it instead of a stock one and no regrets.
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You know why bone stock collector cars command the highest prices, because they are unmolested and unused. May as well have the wooden engine that came in the prototype Porsche put on display. That car is likely THE most valuable 930 on the planet.

Now can we PLEASE get back to the tech forum and move this jibberish to the collectors forum?
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when buying 3 years ago I wanted stock because:

1. I wanted to be able to have it run and work on it when it didnt with factory books and manuals. Even with Bentley you have to read and translate to 930 engine and trans half the time and I'm not smart enough to add in 5 more non stock variables when troubleshooting.

2. If top performance was my #1 goal i would not have bought a 930, or any air cooled.

3. I figured modded= stressed and there are VERY few that are and have always been stock with records to back it up. I didn't consider "back to stock" the same as always stock.

4. Bone stock also tends to be lower miles, less enjoyed and yes, maybe somebody elses garage queen.

5. I started looking at modded ones because stock was harder to find, but there are so many different options each car was apples to oranges comparison with what was modded, quality of the equipment, quality of installation all of which I had to see in person. stock is stock.

Now that i know the car much better I love stock but am much more open to mods on my next one.
Matt ^nailed it^ IMO - well said brohammage...

Mine was one of those bonestock 39k miler's.

Was.

Muwhahahaaaa...
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ps. Matt, the only flaw in yer logic I see is - my car is now measurably (by orders of friggin magnitude) less complicated to troubleshoot now... fukkyeah.

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