Looking for my Grandpa's old 930

[brystephor]

Hey everyone, new to the forums. Signed up for this. I hope someone here can help me, or give me some insight as where to start looking with all of this. If theres any reccomendations for any info that I should find out to help find the car would be awesome as well.

In short, I am hoping to find my Grandfather's old Porsche 930 that he owned many years ago and see the condition it is in, and possibly in the future (somewhat nearish future), buy it back.

So here's the short rundown of the car that I am looking for. It was a 1975 Porsche 930 (I believe the first year of it?). The car, when finished, was red with the whale tail spoiler. It was on 3 piece wheels and had won its class at Concours d'elegance in (i think) 1983 at (once more, im not 100%) a University in Utah in Salt Lake City. Based on info I have, I assume and believe the car spent most of its life in Utah. It was sold in either the late 90s, or early 2000s to someone in Salt Lake City. My grandfather told me the name of who he thought he sold it to, but unfortunately that suspected buyer passed away in 2012. My grandpa is still alive and could still me more.

I am going to respond to my post with the longer, more detailed story of the car.

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[brystephor]

Alright. Let's get into the entire story.

My grandfather got the car as a frame or shell in 1976. He said he saw it one day, the car had been stripped and left for the dead. He knew it was a 930 because of the factory wider body in the rear. Something like that. So he got the car. I think this happened in Utah.

This is when him and his friend (the suspected buyer in the late 90s or early 2000s) began restoring the car. They got the engine in, got it all up and running and such to be perfect. During that time, my grandfather converted the Porsche to a slat nose from its original style. He used (I think) rx7 pop up headlights and made them sit flush with the hood. He said he was one of the first people to do this. The car got many layers of enamel paint, and right after the paint was finished he drove the car across the street into a photo studio to have pictures taken. The car was finished in 1979 I think. Later the car was entered in Concours d'elegance but was in an odd class or not a 'normal' class due to the custom work on the car. It ended up winning. The concours show was in the early 1980s, pretty sure it was at a University in Utah.

Here's some odd stories about the car that might differentiate it. The 3rd picture I posted was a picture I had taken of a Wind wings (the little window trim pieces you can buy for regular cars now) pamphlet/booklet advertising when they were a new item. The porsche was a model car for them and featured in said Pamphlet. My grandfather has about 2 or 3 more of these booklets in flawless condition. I have one also, not as good condition. This company was based out of Salt Lake City, it has the address and phone number on the back.

My grandfather had also sent pictures of his car in alongside a letter to Porsche. In short, Porsche either didn't respond or said they hated his design for 'ruining the car' with its slant nose. 3-5 years later, theres the slantnose.

The car was on Pirelli tires on 3 piece wheels. I believe the car also had a sponsorship from Pirelli, or it was used for a commercial or something along those lines.

The car was sold in the late 90s, early 2000s to the friend that helped build it in the 70s. That friend passed away in 2012. I had contacted his daughters through glorious facebook but they seemed to not knowing thing about it. I got told to call or checkout a certain store/shop and ask for someone else, I attempted but no one ever answered the phone. I was told by the daughter of the friend that the next suspected owner had also passed away but the shop might have known something more.

I can't think of anything more off the top of my head. If anyone has ANY leads on it, please respond to this thread or message me or somehow contact me. I do not care if the car is located in Florida now, or where ever it is..just want to see it and get in contact with someone who knows something about it. Thank you all.

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[Noah930]

I presume you don't have a VIN?

[brystephor]

Originally Posted by Noah930

I presume you don't have a VIN?

Unfortunately, we do not. I can get more info and possibly dig through old documents and pictures and see if anything is left.

But if you're gonna suggest carfax, the car was a 1975 model which was before the standardized VIN# so carfax doesn't work

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[brystephor]

Originally Posted by Noah930

I presume you don't have a VIN?

We do not. But even if we did, carfax wouldn't work since the VIN# is before they were standardized in 1981.

I will look through photos though and old documents to see if any have the VIN# or something more distinctive

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[356911930]

Great project. I wish you the best of luck!

Was your grandfather a PCA member? they may have vin numbers of his car

Also any old registration papers and work done at a shop might help.

Rahl

[WPOZZZ]

I posted this over on FChat.

[brystephor]

Originally Posted by 356911930

Great project. I wish you the best of luck!

Was your grandfather a PCA member? they may have vin numbers of his car

Also any old registration papers and work done at a shop might help.

Rahl

What is PCA?

All work was done by himself and his now deceased friend. I can't imagine any business thay may have helped him would be open considering the work would've been done in the late 70s. There's only one company I can think of that may have the info but unsure.

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[T77911S]

you better have some major coin to buy that car.

good luck.
this place and rennlist are the places to check.

[Tug68]

PCA: Porsche Club of America

[full quack]

Maybe if you can determine who did the bodywork conversion, they may have the VIN#.

To the best of my knowledge , there was no such thing as a slant nose in 1975, first year was 1981 I think, and the tail is from 80's as well. So somebody did paint & bodywork to the car.

Mark

[brystephor]

Originally Posted by full quack

Maybe if you can determine who did the bodywork conversion, they may have the VIN#.

To the best of my knowledge , there was no such thing as a slant nose in 1975, first year was 1981 I think, and the tail is from 80's as well. So somebody did paint & bodywork to the car.

Mark

Yup. My grandfather did the conversion before Porsche even offered it. He talked to them, and basically porsche told him to screw him self for 'ruining' their car.

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[Highway-Star]

Sure it was a 930? Exhaust angle looks like from a normally aspirated car.

Rear wheel offset also suggests a 911 conversion, but could be camera angle too.

[brystephor]

Originally Posted by Highway-Star

Sure it was a 930? Exhaust angle looks like from a normally aspirated car.

Rear wheel offset also suggests a 911 conversion, but could be camera angle too.

I remember him telling me the boost amount in "bars" instead of psi. So it was definitely a turbo. He's very confident it was a 1975 which I believe was before it was a 911 turbo making it a 930. He did buy this though as basically a chassis and that's it. Something about the chassis being wider or something with the rear wheels being wider told him it was a 930 not a 911

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[full quack]

It is an interesting adventure, but to actually try to buy back the car and restore it, could turn into a money pit real fast.

To fully utilize the true value of the car, it would need to be brought back to 1975/76 factory bodywork specifications.

At a bare minimum that would require new front fenders, engine lid, paint. Then as you have said, "it was basically just a chassis", which means there is no way it will ever be a numbers matching car so.........??

Furthermore those early cars had smaller displacement engines, no intercooler etc., etc.

Mark

[brystephor]

Originally Posted by full quack

It is an interesting adventure, but to actually try to buy back the car and restore it, could turn into a money pit real fast.

To fully utilize the true value of the car, it would need to be brought back to 1975/76 factory bodywork specifications.

At a bare minimum that would require new front fenders, engine lid, paint. Then as you have said, "it was basically just a chassis", which means there is no way it will ever be a numbers matching car so.........??

Furthermore those early cars had smaller displacement engines, no intercooler etc., etc.

Mark

Unfortunstely, i dont know everything there is to know about the car. I know he restored it to conours d'elegance quality. And he kept it in excellent condition I assume throughout his ownership but did not have any accidents and such in it.

He is not a Porsche purist. I am not. I don't know much about the car, I don't know the displacement, turbo, engine, etc. I know nothing besides It was a 4 speed air cooled turbo engine. Do not make money a concern. I wouldn't be buying it. My grandfather would have the final say. It'd at least be nice to see where it is or the condition it is in.

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[brystephor]

I also don't know what you mean by "numbers matching car". Again, I didn't own the car. I don't know porsches. I don't know everything there is to know.

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[full quack]

Numbers matching simply means that the chassis, engine and transmission all have associated serial numbers.

Some people find this important, I personally couldn't care less about numbers matching cars, but to each there own.

I sold a 1969 Plymouth GTX many years ago, and like you, I have thought about trying to find it again. Being "the one that got away" so to speak, and to think I only sold it to appease the wife because I had too many cars.

Silly...how can you have too many cars!

Mark

[unclebilly]

It is difficult to tell what you have (had) there.

A 75-76-77 930 (911 Turbo) will be a $100,000 - $300,000 investment depending on condition.

This car isn't original so it will be on the lower end of the spectrum. A 75 930 is a pretty rare car, they were not imported to North America. 76 was the first year of the 930 in North America. That being said, a few have been privately imported over the years. Magnus Walker has one.

If he started with a shell, the boost gauge and engine (and everything else) could have been damn near anything. 75 and 76 cars didn't have a factory boost gauge. In 77, it was built into the tach. There was an aftermarket VDO 935 boost gauge that used LED bars like you describe that would replace the clock on the right side of the gauge panel. That tail is from a 78 on Turbo but was optional on 911 SC cars too. The pre 78 cars had a 3.0L engine, a short bell housing transaxle, amd didn't have an intercooler.

A pre 78 car had the same suspension as a normal 911. The brakes were also normal 911 but the front calipers were the early 911 S aluminum calipers.

These front fenders are unique and unlike any other Slantnose fenders I have seen - this could be your identifier.

As the values of these cars has increased over the past few years, a lot of modified cars are being put back to the original front fenders, side vents are being welded up, and intercoolers are being removed. Your grandfather's car could have been made 'original'.

I know of one 75 930 that was recently restored but not made original. I have no idea what it was like prerestoration.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by brystephor

I also don't know what you mean by "numbers matching car". Again, I didn't own the car. I don't know porsches. I don't know everything there is to know.

Sorry, but somebody's gotta say it: if you don't know what "numbers matching" means, you don't just not know Porsches, you don't know cars.

Good luck in your quest.

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