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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 02:19 PM

sorry the pic when zeroing the micrometer is a bit blurry...

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 02:20 PM

we measure everything at the ideal temps to make sure it is as accurate as possible.

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 02:24 PM

next up are the rods, the big ends first.

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 02:27 PM

now the small end.

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 02:30 PM

individual rod weights.

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 03:07 PM

now the big end.




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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 03:10 PM

and the small end.

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rcw911rsr 01-05-2021 03:13 PM

these are the weights straight out of the box from carrillo. i will massage them to close the gap but less than 1 gram difference is pretty awesome out of the box!

rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 11:54 AM

here are the piston weights. i also weigh all of the circlips and rings. they all weighed the same so not posting a pic of each one of those.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:00 PM

here are the wrist pins.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:04 PM

now that everything has been weighed we can start to balance each assembly by mixing and matching individual parts based on weight and then removed weight only from the parts that need it.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:07 PM

here are the rod small ends.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:13 PM

rod big ends.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:18 PM

overall final rod weights. i call it done with 2-3 tenths of a gram difference as there is inevitably more or less oil on each part in the eng. imho zero zero is eyewash and like a peeky dyno sheet, it is something to brag about but not very practical in real life.

in the end you will see i get everything where it needs to be.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:20 PM

here is the final weight and orientation for each assembly.

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:21 PM

can you tell which rods needed massaging?

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rcw911rsr 01-06-2021 12:23 PM

i had the crank, FW, PP and front pulley all balanced separately down to 0.3 grams so this motor should run smoothly and rev freely!

winders 01-06-2021 12:41 PM

Sometimes tables and charts work better than photos.....this is one of those times.

rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by winders (Post 11169180)
Sometimes tables and charts work better than photos.....this is one of those times.

id be happy to provide a chart and/or graph if you could be more specific. i think you would like to see a spread sheet with all of the individual weights in separate cells with totals at the end; but want to make sure before i spend time on the wrong chart. maybe i'll make a pivot table. :cool:

i actually have always loved using excel so just let me know what you are looking for.

rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 11:17 AM

we got the perimeter bolts in and im working on clearencing the oil pump and nearest carrillo rods to make sure there is no chance of contact.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 11:28 AM

meanwhile, jose is lapping all of the ancillary parts that have flat surfaces to prevent any leaks.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 12:37 PM

about to gap the rings. all of the cylinders mic out exactly 98mm.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 03:52 PM

just finished gapping the rings. the ring grinder is turned off in the pics as obviously i do not want to ruin a ring trying to grind while taking a pic.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 04:12 PM

to measure the gap i had to use two feeler gauges, a 0.40mm and a 0.04mm for a total of 0.44mm per mahle.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 10:00 PM

carrillo suggests stretching their rod bolts over torqueing.

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rcw911rsr 01-07-2021 10:02 PM

so i just realized a vendor did not send the new timing chains. i have the crank ready to drop in. i hope my local dealer has them on the shelf...

mikedsilva 01-08-2021 04:05 PM

great thread. I'm envious of the tools you have!

What was the stretch spec of the bolts you used on the con rods and did you also get a corresponding torque value to compare with the spec sheet they supply?

rcw911rsr 01-08-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 11173160)
great thread. I'm envious of the tools you have!

What was the stretch spec of the bolts you used on the con rods and did you also get a corresponding torque value to compare with the spec sheet they supply?

the minimum tq spec was 40 which i ignore.

the stretch value for the rod bolts we used is 0.005 - 0.0065" per carrillo.

the actual tq value ended up being 55 ish ft lbs

rcw911rsr 01-08-2021 04:58 PM

so i had to drive to get the chains from a local supply house today. i just got done getting everything ready to carry on. i like to lay everything out and wash each part as i install them.

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rcw911rsr 01-09-2021 03:50 PM

i just realized my helper laid the blue orings out that are in the picture. i do not use the blue orings, but in fact go with the viton orings and dc molykote 55.

Cairo94507 01-11-2021 05:53 AM

Loving this build.

dkirk 01-11-2021 03:51 PM

Nice to see your great attention to detail. Thanks for this great post - really enjoying it.

ARCSinAK 01-11-2021 10:13 PM

Master class is in session!

rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:29 PM

sorry keeping this updated is as much or more time than blueprinting an engine! plus i am in the middle of 2 other restorations on a 964 c4 and 72 911 rsr extra widebody. :cool:

rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:29 PM

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Loving this build.

thx!

rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dkirk (Post 11177735)
Nice to see your great attention to detail. Thanks for this great post - really enjoying it.

i can not say that the rest of the shop is as organized as the engine room, but somehow i know where everything is!

rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:31 PM

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Master class is in session!

such a compliment! i simply try to build every car as if i am going to keep it till my last day.

rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:34 PM

so i am using the old original headsutds for my dry run to check clearances. i thought to do it both the old school way with modeling clay fully assembled and then take it down to the short block then pull the valve springs and show you the more accurate and faster way.

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rcw911rsr 01-12-2021 05:41 PM

once the short block is together i assemble each piston into it's respective cylinder. i find this is so much easier to do than trying to install the pistons in the cylinders on the eng, although when i do 996/997/991 i install them in the cylinders already on the engine.

be sure you put the top ring on top with the writing facing up, the second ring has a M and the oil ring is last. they are all 90* apart with the oil gap at the top.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:17 AM

sorry i got a phone call last night then took off for the day.


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