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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:22 AM

so i get all of the pistons assembled to install on the short block. i only install the inside circlip for now because after checking clearances i will completely disassemble and wash everything.

always use a liberal amount of engine oil on your cylinders.

i measure every single part of the engine to make sure both banks will line up and not bind the cam housings. you can see i measured each base shim to be the same thickness.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:24 AM

now the short block is together i will check my deck height with clay and a dial indicator. the pic of the dial indicator was too blurry so im not posting that one.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:31 AM

next i will assemble the long block with clay in the valve pockets. for this check i will set the lash with a feeler gauge to save time. i always check the feeler is not out of spec before i start. as you can see from my machinist rule the heads are all level, so i can not stress it enough, measure everything 100x's before assembly to avoid getting frustrated. that includes making sure the case is flat and that the height of the cylinders and heads are the same from mating surface to mating surface. i have a 24x30 granite block with a height gauge to do this but it does not need to be that big to measure everything but the case halves.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:41 AM

the specs for the cams on this engine are 1.26 mm +/- 0.1 mm. start with #1 then do #4. make sure that if you ever have to go CCW that you go past your goal so you can come up to your goal without any backlash in the chains otherwise you will be chasing your tail for hours. i like to have #1 and #4 set up with their own indicator so i do not have to go back and forth so i can set both with one set up.

some time ago i made a fixture to hold my digidix from stomski racing. after messing with the glare and it never being exactly where i wanted it, this was the best solution for me. of course you can use a degree wheel or the joint where the case halves meet if you do not have a digidix.

here is #1 timed.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:48 AM

and here is #4 timed. after they were both timed and rotated a few times, they ended up at 1.25 mm on #1 and 1.27 mm on #4 which is obviously with the tolerance of 1.26 mm +/- 0.1 mm. i do not waste half a day on the eyewash of getting exactly 1.26 on both sides. for me personally, +/- 0.05 mm is good enough and usually i am within +/- 0.02 on a bank and +/- 0.04 bank to bank if not better.

now lets take it apart to check the clay.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:49 AM

here is a pic of the fixture i made for the digidix.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 10:52 AM

the clay reveled we have sufficient clearance for the valves.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 11:00 AM

another way to check clearance is to remove the valve springs from the heads. to do this you need a valve spring compressor. after you compress the springs you remove the keepers, then release the spring tension. make sure there is no more tension on the spring before removing the springs. my compressor uses the cam housing to mount.

here are the intake valve travel amounts. these were taken at 20* bTDC to 20* aTDC in 5* intervals.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 11:06 AM

and here are the exhaust valves travel amounts. i check for zero before each measurement. these were taken at 20* bTDC to 20* aTDC in 5* intervals.

take these measurements and subtract the cam travel at each interval to mathematically solve for the final clearance on your engine. your cam builder can provide you with this information.

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Neil Harvey 01-13-2021 12:57 PM

A word of caution for anyone reading the above post. It was done correctly but the value to subtract from the measured distances is the net valve lift. This is the known cam lift (cam spec's given by cam supplier) multiplied by the rocker ratio.

You can use the gross valve lift which will give you closer clearances to the piston. Typically if its really close where you have to machine pockets you calculate the clearances you want and factor that into the amount removed from the pocket.

rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Harvey (Post 11180673)
A word of caution for anyone reading the above post. It was done correctly but the value to subtract from the measured distances is the net valve lift. This is the known cam lift (cam spec's given by cam supplier) multiplied by the rocker ratio.

You can use the gross valve lift which will give you closer clearances to the piston. Typically if its really close where you have to machine pockets you calculate the clearances you want and factor that into the amount removed from the pocket.

you are absolutely right, thank you for adding that information. i remember reading your posts and tech articles at least 15+ years ago and i have no doubt you have forgotten more than i know about porsche engines. i definitely should have been more clear about the rocker ratio.

rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:36 PM

i thought i would post up one more way to check valve clearances that is a hybrid of both of the ways already mentioned. i did not expect to spend as much time as i have on this but thought this would add some additional value.

i picked up some springs that had just enough tension to hold the valves closed but soft enough that i could easily push the valve past where the cam lob positioned the valve. this of course required assembling the most of the motor to demonstrate. i also set the timing again.

i started at 20* bTDC and moved in 5* increments again till i got to 20* aTDC. each time i stopped i would push the valve till it hit the piston.

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:42 PM

i think the pics from #4 are easier to visualize due to the dial indicator on the exh is facing the same direction as the intake dial indicator.

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here is how much additional travel it had when i pushed it.
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this is how much further the exh traveled when i pushed it.
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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:48 PM

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:50 PM

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rcw911rsr 01-13-2021 09:51 PM

did everyone count how many heads there were? :eek:

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dannobee 01-14-2021 02:03 PM

The light spring method is what I usually use. Works great and gives a more accurate measurement than the clay method, IMHO.

rcw911rsr 01-15-2021 09:46 PM

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The light spring method is what I usually use. Works great and gives a more accurate measurement than the clay method, IMHO.

it certainly makes it easy to visualize as well as being more accurate than clay. nothing is worse than forgetting to smear wd40 on the tops of the valves and the clay sticking and/or tearing.

rcw911rsr 01-15-2021 09:49 PM

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rcw911rsr 01-15-2021 09:55 PM

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mikedsilva 01-16-2021 10:46 AM

964 cam tower is ok to use on earlier motors?

rcw911rsr 01-16-2021 03:55 PM

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964 cam tower is ok to use on earlier motors?

apparently so. they were on the car when i bought it. i asked around when i noticed it and the consensus i got from the people i respect was possibly end of the 3.2l engines started getting 964 parts or they were replaced at some point due to possible wear in the past. i never dug any deeper than asking my mentors and getting the above as an answer. sorry i do not have anything more definitive, maybe bruce or henry could shed some light on this question.

mikedsilva 01-17-2021 02:55 AM

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apparently so. they were on the car when i bought it. i asked around when i noticed it and the consensus i got from the people i respect was possibly end of the 3.2l engines started getting 964 parts or they were replaced at some point due to possible wear in the past. i never dug any deeper than asking my mentors and getting the above as an answer. sorry i do not have anything more definitive, maybe bruce or henry could shed some light on this question.

Interesting, I guess as long as it is still threaded to take the plug at one end and the oil restrictor insert at the other, I guess everythign else is still the same.. ish?

dtxscott 01-20-2021 07:50 AM

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Interesting, I guess as long as it is still threaded to take the plug at one end and the oil restrictor insert at the other, I guess everythign else is still the same.. ish?

My October-1988 3.2L has the same P/N on the cam/rocker housing.

Henry Schmidt 01-20-2021 08:33 AM

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964 cam tower is ok to use on earlier motors?

The 964 number is just a casting number. When Porsche transitions from one model to the next they quite often use the newer casting to make parts for previous models.

Generally a 964 cam tower will not fit an earlier engine (cam feed plumbing is different) but we came up with a solution.

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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:11 PM

sorry for the delay in my updates.

unfortunately the other pics dialing in the parallelism of the cams where so blurry you cannot read them.

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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:42 PM

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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:46 PM

building oil pressure.

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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:48 PM

running in the cams.



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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:50 PM

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rcw911rsr 02-01-2021 02:56 PM

and a week later after i broke the engine in for drbrian she is off to her new owner!

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rcw911rsr 02-05-2021 04:49 PM

drbrian has now received his new baby. I am proud to see her tucked away safely in her new garage amongst her new siblings! He certainly has impeccable taste!!!

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