Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > 911 Engine Rebuilding Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2022
Posts: 10
Sounds like he's ditched the Motronic and has PMOs and stand-alone ignition. Unless that ignition is is knock-sensing (and adjusting timing to compensate) capable, then yeah I'd say 11.5 might be a bit much for pump gas


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Old 07-24-2022, 07:48 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #21 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 264
When people say - too much for pump gas. Doesn't that need to be called out? Here in FL, we have 93 but it's super hot.
Old 07-26-2022, 05:07 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #22 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by stanglife View Post
When people say - too much for pump gas. Doesn't that need to be called out? Here in FL, we have 93 but it's super hot.
Carburetors and no engine management, 93 is certainly not enough.

I have the motor out and I've started taking it apart. Right now the plan is to leave the long block alone and focus on the heads. A few of them had small puddles of oil resting on the valves.



This would explain the smoke on start up and the oil consumption. I've since bought a 3.2 case and plan to build a 3.8 long block with a low enough comp ratio to run 93. I think leaving my current long block alone is best for resale purposes, it is a fantastic motor.

Question right now is regarding the cam tool I need to work with this: I can't see any way that the one I bought "for 3.2" engine would work with this.

__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 09-16-2022, 06:04 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #23 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Jupiter, FL
Posts: 208
Garage
You need the old style crows foot & cam holder. William Knight configured my build: 10.5 CR, twin plug. Runs on 93 octane. Cams matter, mine are not quite as aggressive as your orig 120/104. I'm running Single throttle body w/ EFI. I just did what William recommend and I'm very happy with the result.
__________________
Rick
1978 911SC
Old 09-16-2022, 11:30 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #24 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Anyone venture to guess what head studs these are? I'll need a torque spec for reassembly.


__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone

Last edited by GG Allin; 09-25-2022 at 07:01 AM..
Old 09-25-2022, 06:56 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #25 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Heads got sent out to Craig in Grand Rapids to get freshened up. The #1 cylinder exhaust valve seemed to not be closing fully. Rings on piston #1 are fine. Wasn't really sure exactly what I had here but it appears to be modified 964 cylinders, JE pistons and GT3 rods.
__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone

Last edited by GG Allin; 09-30-2022 at 11:37 AM..
Old 09-30-2022, 11:34 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #26 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage

__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 09-30-2022, 11:40 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #27 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
After much thought I've just decided to do this once and done. Swapping for new pistons and actually going to swap internals to a new case with a number that better matches the chassis. This case appears to have some machining and will at some point become a spare engine. Probably going to reuse everything but the main bearings. Possibly new head studs too. Unless I can easily remove those.


__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone

Last edited by GG Allin; 12-12-2022 at 05:44 AM..
Old 12-11-2022, 03:39 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #28 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Brisbane, Australia.
Posts: 2,611
so your current case has had the spigots enlarged so you can use the 964 cylinders?
That's pretty cool.

I'd have no hesitation using that case.
__________________
Always learning.
www.aircooledporsches.com.au

See me bumble my way through my first EFI and TURBO conversion!
https://youtu.be/bpPWLH1hhgo?si=GufVhpk_80N4K4RP
Old 12-13-2022, 12:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #29 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedsilva View Post
so your current case has had the spigots enlarged so you can use the 964 cylinders?
That's pretty cool.

I'd have no hesitation using that case.
It did, looks like they were opened up by about 1mm. The new case will need the same. I think I've found someone local to do it. The old case will be built as a spare at some point. There is nothing wrong with it. The stock 964 cylinders were modified to mount on the 3.2 stud spacing.

The rods appear to be Pauter. Not certain of the length. So that leaves me wondering what info needs to be provided to spec new pistons. I have the old pistons in hand and I'll have head cc info when I get them back. I'd like to go as high as I can with the compression ratio that twin plugs and 93 octane will allow. 10:1, 10.25 - 10.5??

This is the bottom of one piston, not sure what 101P means.

Just learning here, trying not to make any mi$takes.



__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 12-13-2022, 07:43 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #30 (permalink)
Registered
 
LJ851's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: atlanta
Posts: 1,979
^ Since that number is forged into the piston it is most likely the part number of that particular forging blank that various pistons are machined from.
Old 12-13-2022, 08:14 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #31 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,120
Garage
Head Studs

Quote:
Originally Posted by GG Allin View Post
Anyone venture to guess what head studs these are? I'll need a torque spec for reassembly.


Looking at the nuts, I'm thinking of Supertec's cylinder head stud kit.
Porsche Supertec Performance Cylinder Head Stud Kit

Supertec 10-mm x 1.25 cylinder head stud torque spec...... post 5.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt View Post
SUPERTEC PERFORMANCE HEAD STUD KIT INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS
1) USE BLUE LOCTITE ON CASE END (10 x 1.50)

2) WE SUPPLY SUPERTEC THREAD LUBE WITH EACH KIT BUT YOU CAN USE LIGHT
WEIGHT MOTOR OIL OR ANTI SEIZE ON CYLINDER HEAD END

3) CLEAN CASE THREADS COMPLETELY
We recommend a thread forming tap (1.50x10 PD-6 6-N) for this application

4) TO INSTALL STUDS, DOUBLE NUT WITH THE GOLD NUTS PROVIDED

5) INSTALL STUD UNTIL IT BOTTOMS AND TURN OUT 1/4 TURN
******DO NOT FORCE THE STUDS INTO THE CASE*******

6) INSTALLATION LENGTH IS NO LONGER RELEVANT

TORQUE SPECIFICATION + or – 2lbs STANDARD TORQUE PATTERN IS MAINTAINED
a. 2.0 aluminum case 30 lb/ft
b. 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.7 ( all magnesium cases ) 26 lb/ft
c. 3.0, 3.2, 3.6 aluminum case 30 lb/ft
d. 3.0, 3.3, 3.6 aluminum Turbo 32-36 lb/ft
THERE IS NO RETORQUING NECESSARY
Old 12-13-2022, 07:36 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #32 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
safe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 4,148
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroldMHedge View Post
Looking at the nuts, I'm thinking of Supertec's cylinder head stud kit.
No, the Supertec studs are thicker, the same diameter as the threads over the entire stud.
__________________
Magnus
911 Silver Targa -77, 3.2 -84 with custom ITBs and EFI.
911T Coupe -69, 3.6, G50, "RSR", track day.
924 -79 Rat Rod EFI/Turbo 375whp@1.85bar.
931 -79 under total restoration.
Old 12-15-2022, 10:43 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #33 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
....heads are back.

__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 12-18-2022, 07:49 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #34 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
New pistons have shipped, should have them this week. It's been a long lonely wait. Paid for them in February. Turns out I have longer than standard rods in my motor, so there was no off the shelf solution. Looking forward to getting this thing back together.
__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 08-15-2023, 06:49 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #35 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Old 11.5:1
New 10.25 - 10.3:1
Rods are somewhere around 134mm. Probably in reality 5.25 inches.




__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 08-15-2023, 11:14 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #36 (permalink)
PCA Member since 1988
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: SW Washington State
Posts: 4,266
Garage
You mentioned much earlier that you are working with William Knight. You should follow his recommendations exactly. I built my 3.2 engine with his help and parts, and the measurements, clearances, etc., worked out exactly as he said they would.
__________________
1973.5 911T with RoW 1980 SC CIS stroked to 3.2, 10:1 Mahle Sport p/c's, TBC exhaust ports, M1 cams, SSI's. RSR bushings & adj spring plates, Koni Sports, 21/26mm T-bars, stock swaybars, 16x7 Fuchs w Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+, 205/55-16 at all 4 corners.

Cars are for driving. If you want art, get something you can hang on the wall!
Old 08-15-2023, 11:34 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #37 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteKz View Post
You mentioned much earlier that you are working with William Knight. You should follow his recommendations exactly. I built my 3.2 engine with his help and parts, and the measurements, clearances, etc., worked out exactly as he said they would.
I was on the phone with him today. He actually worked with Carrillo to have the pistons spec'd. He sent me those pictures. He believes this motor will make more power with the new cams and pistons, on pump gas. Looking forward to the long careful task of putting it back together.
__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 08-15-2023, 12:03 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #38 (permalink)
Registered
 
GG Allin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ORD
Posts: 3,980
Garage
Little by little it's coming back together. No major snags so far. Today will be a reorganization & clean up of my work bench and start getting ready to put the heads on.

Proper short block stage.

__________________
-Mark B. Hardware Store Engineer
1988 911 - 3.6
1999 SL500 - Gone
1995 M3 - LS2 - Gone
1993 RS America - Gone
Old 10-21-2023, 08:54 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #39 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: NORCAL
Posts: 320
In the photo of the pistons the old one has the wrist pin deep into the oil ring where the new one has it below the oil ring. If you did not change the rod length nor the stroke how are you compensating for the extra 2-3mm height of the new pistons.

Old 10-22-2023, 04:27 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #40 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:31 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.