Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > 911 Engine Rebuilding Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
JoeMag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,367
Header size calculator

...found this calculator on line. For those who "know", how does it look? ...not quite sure about collector dia (seems pretty big).

76.4 stroke, 102.7 bore, 42.5 exh valve, timing from DC-85-106 cam.

Primary Header Tube Length and Diameter Calculator






Last edited by JoeMag; 05-22-2023 at 02:16 PM..
Old 05-22-2023, 02:13 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,614
Your volumetric efficiency should be higher than that. Likely closer to 100%, if not over.

Otherwise, the calculations seem really close to what I'd recommend.
Old 05-22-2023, 06:02 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
It's a 914 ...
 
stownsen914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ossining, NY
Posts: 4,704
I’ve wondered about collector size as well. Calculators seem to recommend substantially larger than any of the 911 race header manufacturers produce. Largest I usually see is 2.5” for 911 headers.
Thanks for posting about this. I’m about to purchase new headers for my 3.5L race engine and am also curious.

One minor thing - I’d bet the calculator assumes duration measurements at .050” lift. I see you used the 1 mm value.

Last edited by stownsen914; 05-23-2023 at 07:31 AM..
Old 05-23-2023, 05:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,614
That particular calculator uses "advertised" duration and likely assumes that you don't have a merge collector. With a merge collector, you can decrease the diameter.

Another thing it assumes is open exhaust. Many of the aftermarket Porsche headers (even sold as "race headers") have flanges to fit various mufflers. That'll make a difference in what we see available in the marketplace.

One thing that I've rarely seen over the years on even race Porsches was stepped headers. Practically every other brand has two and three step headers available. Just an observance.
Old 05-23-2023, 06:40 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered
 
JoeMag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,367
Dan -- Would you say the primary tube diameter is ID?
Old 05-23-2023, 08:32 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 26,409
Garage
That's in line w/ the rule of humb usually bandied about, 1.75" OD which can vary but is often 1.625" ID

911 collectors will be smaller than on some other cars because the 911 engine is even fire. Each collector receives a pulse every 240° +/- depending on cam timing


American V8s are of=dd fire, each collector needs to be larger because each bank gets 2 consecutive pulses in the rotation
__________________
Bill Verburg
'76 Carrera 3.6RS(nee C3/hotrod), '95 993RS/CS(clone)
| Pelican Home |Rennlist Wheels |Rennlist Brakes |

Last edited by Bill Verburg; 05-23-2023 at 11:13 AM..
Old 05-23-2023, 11:09 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Racer
 
winders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Franklin, TN
Posts: 5,885
Tube diameter is almost always referenced as O.D. along with a wall thickness. Only the folks that created the calculator could tell you if the output reflects I.D. or an O.D. with an assumed wall thickness.
__________________
Scott Winders
PCA GT3 #3
2021 & 2022 PCA GT3 National Champion
2021 & 2022 PCA West Coast Series GT3 Champion
Old 05-23-2023, 12:18 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,614
As Scott mentioned, tubing is always referenced by O.D. Pipe is referenced by I.D.

BTW, you can order tubing in many different wall thicknesses, while the O.D. remains the same. It's not too critical unless you're worried about weight or when stepped headers are involved and you want one tube to fit inside the other. Or if the tubing is supporting a turbo with minimal brackets.

Old 05-23-2023, 06:41 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:58 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.