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Which head studs for a 964 rebuild?
993? supertec?
what say you |
993 turbo studs
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Supertec, love the fine threads and no need to measure depth or pay the Porsche tax
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Supertec is a good choice for those interested in improved design features.
Quality corrosion resistant aged 17-4PH steel Precision ground, heat treated, rolled threads Fine thread for more precise torque and force retention Highest quality (12.9), 12 point serrated flange nut Ground and hardened washers Additional threads at case end for more engagement [important for non-inserted mag cases] Longer over all length for custom rod length applications Ease of engine assembly No need for height adjustment Piston can be installed without the stud interference. Price includes studs, nuts and washers. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1694182567.JPG http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1694182567.JPG |
What sort of build are you doing? What is the Intended use of the motor? Figure this out first.
If you are choosing to replace the OE ones, Supertech will be around the same cost as stock or 993 and be an upgrade..... Especially if you factor in new nuts.... Cheers |
A quick heads up to those looking to up-grade their head studs.
Their are those who swear by the Dilivar studs [mostly because it's what Porsche sells] but you should be aware that there are imitation all-thread studs on the market. If you really buy into the claims made by Dilivar proponents, keep in mind that the imitation studs may not perform as expected. That said, I have Supertec studs in 3 of my Porsche builds. |
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tick...toc...tick...toc. People building expensive engines in every category are reluctant to try new things. 993 head studs are good enough for some maybe even most. Innovation doesn't guaranty acceptance. |
I am not arguing against anything here. I am calling you out for a comment that is incorrect. I have no idea which top high output engine builders have tried Supertec studs.
All I know is when I asked around I found out these engine builders used the 993 Turbo head studs. When I asked why the answer was they are the only ones that have worked for them. In others words they swear by them because they work not because Porsche sells them. Feel free to use and recommend any product you want. I don't care what people use in their engines. All I know is my engines get Porsche 993 Twin Turbo head studs because William Knight recommended them and the guys out there that build the best high performance larger bore engines use them. |
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I've had the same kinds of conversations with top flight engine builders for 40 years and the answer is generally the same. They change based on proven innovation or manufacturers incentives. Basically, if it ain't broken don't fix it. That's why there are stupid race car engine mods still in use long past the sell by date. |
Dude, I was "calling you out" (i.e. challenging what you said) in the sense that I was responding to the comment you made saying that builders use 993 Turbo head studs because it is what Porsche sells. Challenging a falsehood is not "childish".
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Maybe you can get William Knight or any of these other great builders to come on this thread and actually explain the thought process he used to select Dilivar head studs. |
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The real purpose of my post was to warn prospective buyers that there are bogus "Dilivar" studs being sold and they might not perform as advertised. You picked a random comment, an opinion to negate the entire purpose of the post. Your head stud feud is well documented but does it bring anything of value to this or any other thread? |
Dilivar studs are non ferrous so it’s pretty easy to tell a fake
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Since this is seems like a general opinion thread - anyone use or have any objections to the ARP ones? I already have this set on the shelf - any reason to use something else?
https://arpstore.com/products/cylinder-head-stud-kit-for-porsche-2-0l-3-8l-air-cooled-engines-911-930-turbo-premium-austenit |
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That said, we are going to start using Henry's studs and give them a try. Cheers |
For a stock rebuild 964 (most 964 cars won't be driven in anger anymore) cheap steel studs would probably be fine, its what Porsche used. Anything better than that adds insurance. Depends on the use of the engine.
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So i’m gathering that I could use new dilivars on a stock 3.0L and be good for years/corrosion. My 1983 studs lasted thus far and i’m changing because of age. Some corrosion was observed when the engine was recently torn down.
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If you are replacing your studs, I recommend using 24 studs of whichever variety you choose. If you don't want to avail yourself of a more advanced stud, I recommend the Canyon stud. Standard configuration with a higher quality material. Great corrosion resistance, precision ground, heat treated and rolled threads. I consulted on the material selection. I believe they are available from our host. Part#: 10-0115-101-M105 |
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